[00:02:18] kk [00:02:29] Who you stalking now? [00:02:45] some dude [00:03:19] Billl3000: HOW COME YOU DON'T STALK ME ): [00:03:57] icebreaker: maybe he is? Unless you're not a dude now? [00:04:29] I ALWAYS THOUGHT OF MYSELF AS MORE OF A "GUY" THAN A "DUDE" [00:04:58] guy is gender neutral [00:05:03] the new data suggests that the fridges are biased! [00:05:07] top a 5% level! [00:05:10] *to [00:07:10] bored [00:07:17] join shireroth [00:07:19] join the drama [00:07:29] Tsch, there's no drama. [00:07:42] well you quit [00:07:46] so how would you know [00:07:52] shireroth is also boring [00:08:11] hallo join shireroth [00:08:11] : Joined shireroth. [00:08:18] see, hallo does it! [00:08:23] Oh, I read. I just don't post. That's my LoA. [00:08:30] ... [00:08:37] that so does not count [00:08:38] lamer [00:08:40]<**Malliki has joined #micronations**> [00:08:48] hi Malliki [00:08:52] hi [00:08:53] i just noticed [00:08:58] this is retarded [00:09:01] Better than not posting all like a coward. [00:09:05] this chi squared calculator is on a psychokinesis website [00:09:07] Welcome back Malliki. [00:09:10] should i still trust it [00:09:21] Malliki: pidgin is pretty retarded [00:09:25] but you can add the chat as a friend [00:09:39] right click the tab or something [00:09:46] and you can add people as friends [00:09:55] so it says when they're online, even if they're not in chat! [00:09:56] crazy! [00:10:09] OMG! [00:10:11] hallo join Hesam in being bored of this chat. [00:10:11] : Joined Hesam in being bored of this chat.. [00:11:00] You need to program hallo with more useless yet entertaining commands. [00:11:09] probably [00:11:11] he has trig [00:11:13] longcat [00:11:14] you need [00:11:17] a fucking wiki one [00:11:21] was working on tacgnol [00:11:24] longserb [00:11:24] That's so boring. [00:11:30] pyrayo [00:11:34] longyo [00:11:37] hallo help commands [00:11:37] : acos, asin, atan, cos, hallo, hallo_add, hallo_del, hallo_list, help, join, kick, lastping, longcat, longcat_off, longcat_on, longserb, longyo, op, part, pyrayo, quit, sin, tacgnol, tan, time [00:11:41] hallo pyrayo 10 [00:11:41] : yo [00:11:43] : yoyo [00:11:43] : yoyoyo [00:11:43] : yoyoyoyo [00:11:43] : yoyoyoyoyo [00:11:43] : yoyoyoyoyoyo [00:11:45] : yoyoyoyoyoyoyo [00:11:45] : yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo [00:11:45] : yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo [00:11:45] : yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo [00:11:45] : [00:11:54] hallo kick spangle [00:11:54] : Insufficient privelages to kick. [00:11:57] that's pretty much it i suppose, other than his greetings thing [00:11:58] hallo pyrayo 1000 [00:11:58] : I cannot do a pyrayo that long, are you crazy!?! [00:12:00] hallo pyrayo 100 [00:12:00] : I cannot do a pyrayo that long, are you crazy!?! [00:12:02] hallo kick harvey [00:12:02] : Insufficient privelages to kick. [00:12:02] As expected! [00:12:05] fucking gay [00:12:06] damn [00:12:08] hallo pyrayo 90 [00:12:08] : I cannot do a pyrayo that long, are you crazy!?! [00:12:10] hallo pyrayo 50 [00:12:10] : I cannot do a pyrayo that long, are you crazy!?! [00:12:12] hallo pyrayo 40 [00:12:12] : I cannot do a pyrayo that long, are you crazy!?! [00:12:13] hallo pyrayo 30 [00:12:13] : I cannot do a pyrayo that long, are you crazy!?! [00:12:15] hallo pyrayo 20 [00:12:15] : I cannot do a pyrayo that long, are you crazy!?! [00:12:16] hallo pyrayo 19 [00:12:16] : I cannot do a pyrayo that long, are you crazy!?! [00:12:18] hallo pyrayo 15 [00:12:18] : I cannot do a pyrayo that long, are you crazy!?! [00:12:19] hallo pyrayo 14 [00:12:19] : I cannot do a pyrayo that long, are you crazy!?! [00:12:20] hallo pyrayo 13 [00:12:20] : I cannot do a pyrayo that long, are you crazy!?! [00:12:21] hallo pyrayo 12 [00:12:21] hallo join Malliki in kicking Bill3000's ass [00:12:21] : Joined Malliki in kicking Bill3000's ass. [00:12:21] : I cannot do a pyrayo that long, are you crazy!?! [00:12:23] lol [00:12:26] hallo pyrayo 10 [00:12:26] : yo [00:12:28] : yoyo [00:12:28] : yoyoyo [00:12:28] : yoyoyoyo [00:12:28] : yoyoyoyoyo [00:12:28] : yoyoyoyoyoyo [00:12:30] : yoyoyoyoyoyoyo [00:12:30] : yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo [00:12:30] : yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo [00:12:30] : yoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyo [00:12:30] : [00:12:36]<**hallo has joined #micronations**> [00:12:39] why kick him [00:12:41] bill did it! [00:12:46]<**Billl3000 has joined #micronations**> [00:12:50] Yeah, this is anti-bot discrimination. [00:12:51] I had my finger hovering over the enter key all the way from 1000 [00:12:54] Solved the problem, but kicked the wrong target. [00:12:58] yeah, i knew you would [00:13:12] ari just envies other robots [00:13:18]<**dr-spangle has joined #micronations**> [00:13:23] here we go [00:13:26] hallo kick ari [00:13:26] : Kicking people like ari is not very nice. [00:13:30] I find it hilarious [00:13:32] darn you hallo! [00:13:34] that polish nobles had a right to rebel [00:13:35] you moral robot! [00:13:48] Isn't that a law of robotics? [00:13:52] no harming humans? [00:13:56] i suppose [00:13:59] It sure is. [00:14:00] given that ari is not a lizard person too ofc [00:14:14] hallo kick ScottA [00:14:14] : Insufficient privelages to kick. [00:14:23] hallo is broken [00:14:23] Maybe if you could phrase it in a way that didn't sound like you were harming him? [00:14:23] : "is" not defined. Try "/msg hallo help commands" for a list of commands. [00:14:34] hallo join hallo in bed [00:14:34] : Joined hallo in bed. [00:14:48] hallo leave hallo in bed [00:14:48] : "leave" not defined. Try "/msg hallo help commands" for a list of commands. [00:14:53] Hallo fellate Hallo [00:14:57] hallo hallo [00:14:57] : hello bill. [00:15:03] hallo help commands [00:15:03] : acos, asin, atan, cos, hallo, hallo_add, hallo_del, hallo_list, help, join, kick, lastping, longcat, longcat_off, longcat_on, longserb, longyo, op, part, pyrayo, quit, sin, tacgnol, tan, time [00:15:09] hallo join Ardy in fellating Bill3000 [00:15:09] : Joined Ardy in fellating Bill3000. [00:15:13] longserg [00:15:15] longserb [00:15:20] hallo longserb [00:15:20] : Longserb is disabled. Use "longcat_on" to enable it. [00:15:22] ... [00:15:24] Hallo rim Malliki [00:15:26] owned [00:15:26] PUT IT ON [00:15:27] PUT IT ON [00:15:49] hallo join Ardy in rimming Bill3000 [00:15:49] : Joined Ardy in rimming Bill3000. [00:15:54] hallo join the Shirerithian population in hailing Kaiser Malarbor I. [00:15:54] : Joined the Shirerithian population in hailing Kaiser Malarbor I.. [00:16:03] Which reminds me... [00:16:04] HAIL! [00:16:06] Hey, ScottA! [00:16:30] longcat enabled. [00:16:41] hallo longserb 10 [00:16:41] : serbia [00:16:43] SERBIA RULES FUCKER! [00:16:43] : serbia [00:16:43] : serbia [00:16:43] : serbia [00:16:43] : serbia [00:16:43] : serbia [00:16:45] hallo: longcat [00:16:45] : Error occured. Try "/msg hallo help" [00:16:45] SERBIA RULES FUCKER! [00:16:45] SERBIA RULES FUCKER! [00:16:45] SERBIA RULES FUCKER! [00:16:45] SERBIA RULES FUCKER! [00:16:45] SERBIA RULES FUCKER! [00:16:45] : serbia [00:16:45] : serbia [00:16:45] : serbia [00:16:45] : serbia [00:16:45] : [00:16:46] SERBIA RULES FUCKER! [00:16:46] SERBIA RULES FUCKER! [00:16:46] SERBIA RULES FUCKER! [00:16:46] SERBIA RULES FUCKER! [00:16:48] rofl [00:16:54] hallo longcat_off [00:16:54] : Longcat disabled. Use "longcat_on" to turn it on. [00:18:22]<**Chrimigules quit #micronations "" **> [00:18:28] ha [00:18:29] quick [00:18:30] talk [00:18:33] ni [00:18:34] i [00:18:34] h [00:18:34] ih [00:18:35] important stuff [00:18:35] ihiihihihi [00:18:36] what [00:18:39] okay [00:18:41] what important stuff [00:18:43] why? [00:18:45] chrim was boasting more full logs than hallo [00:18:49] brb [00:18:50] dinner [00:18:50] oh [00:18:52] D: [00:18:53] not talking then [00:19:01] gah [00:19:02] Needs more ScottA. [00:19:05] i need blank DVDs [00:19:16]<**beets quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [00:19:21] to lambdatek [00:19:45] okies [00:19:50] just trying out pidgin [00:19:56] do i want +r or -r [00:20:11] what is r? [00:20:31]<**Chrimigules has joined #micronations**> [00:20:35] rewritable [00:20:39] ah [00:20:52] Chrimigules: ha! hallo has logs for that time you left [00:20:55] you do not [00:20:56] thought you meant some irc code :P [00:21:00] a lot of important stuff happened [00:21:08] Harvey: Yeah? [00:21:09] Malliki: no, DVD code [00:21:56] <***malliki <3 hallo***> [00:22:53] ScottA: private chat thing [00:22:55] This reminds me [00:23:06] Are we doing the Kaiser Malarbor I thing? [00:23:15] Yes, yes we are. [00:23:24] Soon? [00:23:28] Erik as Malarbor I? [00:23:28] Oh, yeah. What did you think of that? [00:23:37] Um, I hope soon. [00:24:11] hallo join Ardy in rimming Kaiser Malarbor I [00:24:11] : Joined Ardy in rimming Kaiser Malarbor I. [00:24:36] There's not exactly a timetable here, mostly because I can't get anyone to agree on one. [00:24:46] I agree [00:25:03]<**Hesam quit #micronations " ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]" **> [00:25:03]<**Hesam quit #micronations " ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]" **> [00:25:07] Because I have an amusingly stupid story idea involving Malarbor growing from a seed in the lining of the Golden Mango Throne, but that's only going to work out story-wise as long as Leto isn't sitting on it :p [00:25:14] Wait, we're gonna make Erik Kaiser? Why? [00:25:37] Well, this is why I wanted you guys in on it. I figured the amusing story potential here was staggering. [00:25:56] yeah putting the bitchy ultra-reactionary in charge will work well [00:26:01] Hey, remember that time a guy quit the nation in disgust because he didn't get his way on something, so we gave him the Kaisership? [00:26:19] What, you think you're so much more qualified? [00:26:29] to be malarbor? [00:26:34] Not necessarily me. Mike would be okay. [00:26:41] Hey, remember that time a guy wanted to change the flag so much that he half tore the country apart, and then near the end he wasn't even sure he wanted to change the flag at all? [00:26:55] the country's not fucking torn apart [00:26:56] Mike is tied up with Cyberia. Amazingly, we didn't just pull Erik's name out of a hat. [00:27:00] Yeah, I remember that. [00:27:04] hell [00:27:11] other than erik leaving [00:27:16] andreas left because we dont' care about his RPG [00:27:25] Last time I heard, Erik was plotting to keep the Kaisership forever. [00:27:45] I don't know if it was serious plotting or nonserious plotting, but I'd sure like to confirm it was nonserious before we give him the chance. [00:29:03] I'm willing to accept that condition. [00:29:11] Me too [00:29:18] Assuming it is not serious, are you supportive of the effort? [00:29:34] I want a kaiser malarbor [00:29:37] either scott/erik/malliki [00:29:55] ScottA: Erik said he would proly do a full Kaisership, with me as heir. [00:30:09] the conditions is that [00:30:14] malarbor will actually become kaiser [00:30:18] not a human who takes the name malarbor [00:30:33] Plus Erik would be on the throne for the nation's tenth birthday, which is very fitting. [00:30:47] Look, we get an Erik Kaisership, and he changes back the flag and blocks all work on the forum colors. Also, having Erik in charge isn't exactly a recipe for everyone calming down and being all peaceful and forgetting all their emotional baggage [00:31:00] He's not going to change back the flag. [00:31:10] as for forum colors [00:31:14] themes are personalized [00:31:17] And, frankly, if you plan to do forum colors during the next reign right after Jonas, that's a great reason not to let you. [00:31:26] I agree. [00:31:27] so even if we do change the main theme eventually [00:31:29] we can keep the old one [00:31:32] We don't need any more division right now. [00:32:05] You don't think Erik being on the throne will cause division? [00:32:21] A poodle being on the throne would cause division at this point. [00:32:29] You mean more than having Jonas on the throne is killing activity? [00:32:34] scott's right [00:32:42] i'm worried what would happen to jonas, and the three elwynese [00:32:42] I'm right too though. [00:32:51] if erik becomes kaiser [00:32:57] It's why the Malarbor plan is going into effect. [00:33:15] well [00:33:17] Since Malarbor = awesomeness [00:33:19] if you don't want to kill activity [00:33:21] don't go on LoA [00:33:22] >_> [00:33:25] Well, if they leave in distrust, they're hypocrites in the highest order. [00:33:37] Bill, even on LoA, I'm like 84 times more active than you. [00:33:55] in what sense [00:34:09] Harvey: Would be kinda weird to bitch about people leaving in a huff and then leave in a huff... [00:34:20] no I think it'll be more appropriate to go into some sort of state of semi-revolt ala dolor [00:34:35] In the sense that I'm trying to fight this damn slump through any angle I can think of whereas everyone else is just okay with it. [00:34:45] At least now I've gotten people to admit there's a problem. Progress! [00:34:46] Look, and I know I'm digging my own grave here when Erik reads over the logs later. [00:35:17] jesus christ [00:35:23] focus on a recruitment effort then [00:35:29] But the past three or four Kaiserships, Erik's revolted against the Kaiser, caused endless trouble, and outright left the country when it went in a direction he didn't like. And now he's going to take the throne and we all have to follow him? [00:35:38] Bill3000: I am. Apparently I can multitask! [00:36:26] ScottA: look, every chat lately has (completely without my influence, mind you) turned into a weird theoretical discussion about how to change Shireroth's system for the better. [00:36:35] This is exactly what Allot was talking about how people like him can work hard quietly for years and be completely ignored, but us old people can do whatever we want, leave, ignore Kaiserial decrees, and still get whatever positions we request. [00:36:38] It's time to face facts - the structure we have no just doesn't work well. [00:36:53] Harvey: Possibly. How is putting Erik in charge going to change that. [00:37:23] Because in order to have a better Shireroth, first we have to have one that isn't falling apart at the seams *ignores inevitable outcry from Bill* [00:37:40] And how's Erik going to make it not fall apart? [00:37:51] ... that just gave me an idea [00:37:52] lol [00:37:54] ALLOT FOR KAISER!!!! [00:37:55] We have a stabilizing Kaisership, then we have a progressive one after it's all in order. [00:38:20] what the shit do you mean by "stabilizing" [00:38:38] If I'm made Kaiser I would actually make Allot my heir, just so people know. [00:38:40] Erik won't be stabilizing. Half the reason people are upset is because they feel like they have no power and no one cares about their views. Kaiser We-Never-Change-Anything isn't gonna help that. [00:38:41] If he wants it that is. [00:38:46] Bill3000: get back to me with that question when you learn how to have a debate without being a jerk. [00:39:01] get back to me when you learn how to debate with a jerk then [00:39:11] Bill: That was the worst comeback ever :( [00:39:17] Allot talks tough, but people like that don't always translate into the best Kaiser(esses) [00:39:27] people are jerks [00:39:29] get used to it [00:39:34] I think Allot would be a good kaiser [00:39:44] Are YOU willing to try an untested person on the throne right now? If you are by all means go ahead. I can't actually stop you. [00:39:45] Malliki as Kaiser with Allot as Steward and then heir providing there are no screw ups [00:39:56] not really sure what you mean by jerk anyway [00:40:03] "what the shit" isn't particularly jerklike [00:40:05] Ardy: Ya. [00:40:09] Look, the problem is that we don't know how to combine activity/progress/whatever and stability. We could get stability easy - just say "no" to everything. [00:40:11] Harvey: Was that at me or what? [00:40:23] It was kind of a general "you" [00:40:48] Getting stability at the cost of killing activity/progress/whatever is just going to make more people unhappy but grudgingly sticking around. [00:40:58] Who said nothing was going to happen? [00:41:01] If people don't want Erik I can take it now, but I would have to be allowed to fool around in Cyberia at the same time. i can't just bail there. [00:41:24] you'd be malarbor [00:41:27]<**beets has joined #micronations**> [00:41:29] you wouldn't be malliki [00:41:31] I suppose people would protest if Ardy took the throne again :( [00:41:46] ScottA: Eh, yeah. [00:41:52] anyawy [00:41:52] I've had some ideas for a kaisership forever, but since that eventuality is looking less and less likely I suppose I can do some of them now when the country is in need of a boost. [00:41:55] Liberate the Shirerithian People! [00:41:58] stop being super-sensitive harvey [00:42:11] I guess...having a nice stable Erik kaisership is going to push all of our problems under the rug. It's not actually going to solve any of them. [00:42:37] ScottA: Then we can solve them when I take over after a couple of months. [00:42:42] assuming that it proves to be nice and stable [00:42:45] Fuck, I'd take the rug at this point. [00:42:47] I don't trust harvey as a kaiser anymore than I trust me as kaiser [00:43:09] I'm eternally grateful that your trust has nothing to do with the matter Bill, but no, I'm not very interested in the job. [00:43:10] *sigh* I yield to the majority for the sake of national unity, but I have a bad feeling about this. [00:43:33] in what sense [00:43:37] Is it the same bad feeling you had when you dealt with Straylight, or a different one? [00:43:45] did you yield to the majority [00:43:48] Remind me what bad feeling I had in Straylight? [00:44:03] "I get the feeling I'm going to destroy something important" [00:44:27] Oh, no, Erik will never *destroy* Shireroth. [00:44:31] Can't we just ask Allot or whoever what they think? [00:44:43] He'll just keep it right...where...it...is. [00:44:54] allot will probably be annoyed [00:44:58] Malliki: I guess we could, but this is all sounding less like a conspiracy and more like electing a Kaiser by consent. [00:44:58] at the least [00:45:00] if erik is kaiser [00:45:01] ScottA: Which is kinda what we need right now. [00:45:19] also [00:45:19] we could [00:45:24] if allot could stay on the chat for more than 2 minutes [00:45:30] Malliki: No it's not! We need to create some kind of system where we CAN discuss important issues and CAN have national politics without everyone totally freaking out and leaving in disgust. [00:45:31] Harvey: True, but that doesn't have to be a bad thing. Especially when we're kicking out the current. [00:45:36] ScottA, I've tried to avoid telling you this for a while now, but you dream of turning Shireroth into something you can show your friends is madcap insanity. [00:45:53] ScottA: And with the current leadership that will never happen. [00:46:18] Harvey: All I want is a flag, some forum colors, and a few less Warcraft names. The first one's done as soon as the Landsraad vote ends, the last one Erik agrees with me on. [00:46:22] It just needs some leadership. [00:46:30] scott [00:46:32] forum colors [00:46:43] you'd agree with preserving the current theme as an option right [00:46:44] just change the default theme [00:46:48] You think doing that will change all the elf references and the evil tree at the top and the weird sci fi and spiders and stuff? [00:46:53] this will allow people who still want it to have it [00:46:55] Bill3000: Yeah, but would anyone else agree to that? [00:47:09] Harvey: We really don't have that many elves! [00:47:13] If they're traditionalists, they'd still have the options. [00:47:21] Gman talks about them sometimes. [00:47:22] I don't want it to be boring, I just want it to be weird in a professional and presentable way. [00:47:24] ardy killed them all :( [00:47:38] Apparently not. [00:47:49] In any event ScottA, two questions arise: [00:47:58] I'm fine with the elf references, and evil tree, and weird sci fi and spider stuff, I just want original elf references, and evil tree, and weird sci fi and spider stuff [00:47:59] World of Warcraft is a weird hobby that some people look down on, but everyone agrees it's an impressive, well-designed game. [00:48:16] 1) how many people are you willing to alienate in the country now to complete this plan and 2) how long do you expect it to stay presentable? [00:48:24] I'd like Shireroth around that level, like "I have no idea why you do this micronational stuff, but at least you do it well." [00:48:56] get bjorn [00:48:59] to make a website [00:49:06] I can't freakin believe Bill's the one calling for originality these days. [00:49:07] Bill3000: NO! ffs [00:49:14] Harvey: I'm doing something 80% of the population approve of, so apparently the answer is 20%. And pretty long. I really believe what I said about the Shirerithian population growing up. [00:49:18] Seriously, this is like twilight zone #micronations. [00:49:53] it got boring [00:49:56] ScottA: the 20% that disagree with the flag are almost certainly not going to be the same 20% that disagree with changing forum colors, a few names, and whatever else you want to change. [00:50:09] But in answer to your first question, seriously, I wouldn't be willing to do this if it was just me. But I am willing to do it if it makes most of the population happier and less alienated from Shireroth. [00:50:33] And as you progress with this plan, there will be a growing sense that the country is changing under people's noses to something they are unfamiliar with, even if they have to admit they aesthetically like the new choices. [00:51:12] Harvey: Understood, but compare that to the sense that they have no control over what the country looks like and they have to deal with some theme chosen by Erik ten years ago that they don't like. [00:51:23] There are advantages and disadvantages to both, and I find the advantages greater. [00:51:31] ScottA: Would you rather have me or Erik? [00:51:42] i'd prefer malliki [00:51:50] What about that thing Bill was talking about earlier, where no matter how bad people think something is, after time they grow attached to it? [00:52:04] For every traditionalist who's alienated by the changes, there's someone else who's felt alienated by the current flag all these years, but never felt comfortable saying anything about it. [00:52:12] Bill3000: I don't think I would be awesome enough to be Malarbor I. [00:52:22] trust me [00:52:23] you got it [00:52:48] Malliki: If it were just about me, I'd rather have you, but since everyone else wants Erik I'll go along. [00:52:56] Everyone else! [00:53:00] uh [00:53:05] I just said I'd prefer malliki [00:53:07] I don't *really* want Erik as kaiser ): [00:53:12] I'm just trying to make a solution that at least some people can agree out of the mess you've gotten yourselves in! [00:53:16] Besides, I owe Erik one for the whole flag debacle. [00:53:18] and I don't want erik as kaiser for the reasons said before. [00:53:20] Change all the details if you want, as long as people agree to them. [00:53:26] scott, stop guilting yourself. [00:53:30] You should all just join Antica! [00:53:35] Give up on Shireroth! [00:53:36] I did. [00:53:38] The dream is dead! [00:53:39] And no one's talking. [00:53:40] :( [00:53:41] beets: I did! There's not much to do :( [00:53:46] Harvey: I didn't get myself into any mess. Erik left and you left. If you want to solve the mess, the quickest way would be to come back. [00:53:49] Just so you people know, as long as I can stay in Cyberia, I'm up for it. [00:53:54] They're feeling shy [00:54:07] ScottA: yes, because my posting on the forums was SO beneficial to my cause this far... [00:54:11] Malliki: You can't. I'm sick of this namby-pamby "I'm gonna be Kaiser but keep my dual citizenships" thing. [00:54:19] Harvey; What IS your cause? [00:54:22] You know my cause. [00:54:23] ScottA: Then you get Erik. [00:54:23] I refuse to take blame for either the inactivity slump and the flag thing. [00:54:25] But what are you going for? [00:54:41] Solid-as-smoke saving micronationalism. [00:54:41] Malliki: Then so be it, for the laws are nobler than any man. [00:54:44] Harvey: No one is blaming you ffs. Except perhaps Bill3000 [00:54:47] jesus [00:54:48] christ [00:54:56] this is getting pathetic [00:55:03] Then. Leave. [00:55:08] no [00:55:11] ScottA: It was fine for Ardy. [00:55:14] Then hush. [00:55:20] Malliki: Ardy quit Ashk. [00:55:36] He did? ok, my bad. [00:55:53] Harvey: This isn't a Seldon crisis. This is you, Erik, and Andreas storming out for relatively unrelated reasons. Or, if there's a link, the link is Jonas, and will be severed with his death. [00:55:57] I just can't quit Cyberia now. In a couple of months, after Erik's Kaisership, I can. [00:55:58] Oh I think I was in violation when I was steward [00:56:07] Okay, well, to clarify, saving our corner. [00:56:19] Ardy: Ah, yes. [00:56:27] There's no doubt that the hobby will go on until kids no longer have dreams of their bedroom being a separate country. [00:56:29] Well, I am too. [00:56:37] All we need to do to end the crisis is get rid of Jonas, settle the flag thing one way or the other, and get you back (Andy and Erik will come back in due time) [00:56:50] I'm not. I'm just saying that it's pathetic to go "OH NO WE'RE GOING INTO AN INACTIVITY SLUMP" when the solution would be to do less obsessing over what we can do to get activity and actually *do stuff* [00:56:50] But, at this point, there's little doubt that Shireroth is the only major show in town, and even it is going through a major identity crisis these days. [00:57:06] NO [00:57:07] Bill, you don't do shit. Shut the hell up. [00:57:09] ANTICAAAAA [00:57:10] And we can't solve the identity crisis by sweeping it under the rug with a new Age of Stability. [00:57:18] Antica is failing, if not failed. [00:57:23] NO [00:57:28] yeah, you don't get to whine for calling people a jerk anymore rofl [00:57:34] rather [00:57:35] If Erik is Kaiser, we'll still have an identity crisis, we'll just be too polite and conservative to mention it. [00:57:41] whine for arguing as a jerk [00:57:53] It'll just be people being silently upset and disempowered, same as always. [00:58:00] Harvey: Just looks like it since we're used to Shireroth level activity. Even Cyberia is more active than Antica. [00:58:05] Maybe we could spend our time focusing on how to solve the identity crisis instead of being constantly confronted by it. [00:58:10] lololol george's book launch [00:58:18] A bunch of us will want something, like the flag change, Erik will say NO, we'll shut up about it. No identity crisis, but I wouldn't say it's been "solved" [00:58:38] http://www.fardistantshores.com/photos/781107843_uoV9J-M.jpg the crowds! [00:58:41] ScottA: Then we can solve it under me. Do you want to keep Jonas? [00:58:44] Scott, it's not like people were really losing sleep over the flag. [00:58:45] "That's right... the world's first-ever micronational musical is about to be launched on an unsuspecting world! Remember, you heard it here first!" [00:58:46] Harvey: You don't really believe that's what would happen, do you? [00:58:54] actually, becca started on last sunday, mwa ha ha ha ha :P [00:59:03] You started a campaign to change it so that's good, but if you hadn't, nobody would have really cared other than making occasional snide comments. [00:59:18] <***bill3000 gets bored***> [00:59:23] ScottA: well I sure believe we'll never get around to solving it when there are more immediate issues such as duchies being disbanded and flags changing. [00:59:26] <***bill3000 reestablishes the tetrapole***> [00:59:43] Harvey: In the specific case, that's true. In the general case of no one ever trying to improve the country, we'd still be on EZBoard with a Malarbor background now. [00:59:49] every other post by george is mocking commiczar for mocking george [00:59:59] And the only way to improve the country in general is to improve it specifically. [01:00:07] We'd probably still be on EZBoard if they hadn't blown up! [01:00:11] george and commiczar are like FRC and VCC, they can't live together, they can't live apart [01:00:12] Those global accounts they had were awesome. [01:00:16] There's still yuku. [01:00:28] Yuku sucks [01:00:30] Eh, the trust is broken. You can't put the egg back in the shell and all that. [01:00:31] Luckily, Ari and some other people had a vision, and we followed it despite controversy, and now we're better off. [01:00:48] sigh [01:00:49] honestly [01:00:55] I would not want to be in a country where we all agree we will never pursue our visions to make the country better cause it might offend someone. [01:00:59] That's funny. I sure remember a lot of people having visions before the EzPlague, and you told them to shut up and mocked them in the Skyline. [01:01:04] stop obsessing over what will get people to get motivated and focus more on recruitment efforts [01:01:12] Harvey: I was on the wrong side of that issue and I admit it. [01:01:24] Bill3000: I don't see you recruiting? [01:01:35] it's not my problem [01:01:37] ScottA: Do you want to keep Jonas? [01:01:38] OR MAYBE having the entire micronational community on the same type of forums with global accounts was actually good! [01:01:46] that's my laugh at george session over i suppose [01:02:10] Harvey: One more reason to Shirithianize micronationalism (: [01:02:30] I'm not sure why any idea we had in the past was automatically stupid just because we had it a while ago. Sure we were younger, but we were trying anything we could think of. [01:02:32] <***dr-spangle continues making sure the forumlist rapes george harder and deeper than he could ever imagine.***> [01:02:33] it's already been shirerothized [01:02:35] and it made it lamer [01:02:44] Harvey: Where did I say every idea in the past was automatically stupid? [01:03:01] ScottA: Am I invisible? [01:03:07] It was implied in your soapbox rhetoric about visions and stuff. [01:03:11] I'm just saying that there may, theoretically, be a few things people want changed at some point, and that if we have a culture of "never speak of this, for it may offend someone", that's bad. [01:03:25] Malliki: Re: Jonas: Oh, yes and no. [01:03:35] then develop an actual political system [01:03:50] in which people can debate without it devolving into feeling like it's personal [01:03:51] ScottA: Who would you like instead of Jonas if we go with no? [01:03:58] (did that mean he wants to keep Jonas or not?) [01:05:16] Malliki: In order of preference, me, Ardy, Harvey, Shyriath, Erik, Ari, Malliki, approximately 1.4 billion Chinese people, Bill, Aryeztur. [01:05:29] lol [01:05:38] Allot didn't even make the list. Cold. [01:05:42] Erik it is then. [01:05:47] why are you putting harvey that high? [01:05:49] he's as bad as me [01:05:49] ScottA: WHERE DO I FIT ON THAT LIST? [01:05:53] Oh, yeah, he's somewhere between Malliki and the Chinese. [01:05:54] Bill3000: because shut up. [01:05:56] cause the four first are not an option. [01:05:57] he'd do soemthing for a week then abandon it [01:06:10] Bill3000: how's CoD3 going? [01:06:13] so glad i didn't make the list [01:06:43] pretty well [01:06:44] Icebreaker: Between Spangle and Ryan [01:06:49] Kaiser Hallo I! [01:06:53] Wow, I'm lucky Bill really doesn't think before he talks. Otherwise I'd be under attack from two sides here. [01:07:02] hallo could be kaiser [01:07:06] also harvey [01:07:11] Hallo join the list of Shirithian kaisers. [01:07:12] i could program some new functions for you [01:07:14] I didn't say you were worse than me [01:07:18] I said you were as bad as me [01:07:24] hallo join the list of Shirithian kaisers. [01:07:24] : Joined the list of Shirithian kaisers.. [01:07:28] so what you said is completely irrelevent [01:07:31] If you'd like, I can show you the Aurefiction sprite in progress. [01:07:40] Right now. Well, as soon as I make an image out of it. [01:07:50] I LIKE BILL MORE THAN MOST PEOPLE HERE [01:07:52] if you like I can show you my research data [01:07:56] What proof do you have that you don't give up on stuff? Can't claim you need more time to work on CoD3 - it's the weekend, after all. [01:08:08] dude [01:08:11] I got E&M homework [01:08:20] whenever i'm not doing my homework itself [01:08:21] I'm on here [01:08:22] For a job? Tsch, that doesn't count. I can't show you mine, you know. Confidentiality agreements. [01:08:47] well this is the first time in my life when I've did a 8 - 5 5 days a week [01:08:48] Either we let Jonas stay and do absolutely nothing, as usual. Or we get Erik. Those are the only two realistic options I see. [01:08:52] So you're not working on it all? Okay, that's fair, you have other things to do. Just stop claiming you are. [01:09:04] No, I plan to do it when I get free time. [01:09:07] Harvey: WHY SO BITCHY [01:09:11] I still don't see why I'm not an option for Kaiser. I'd be smart enough not to decree forum colors or anything. [01:09:18] But really though, Harvey. [01:09:19] If I had a nickel for every time a micronationalist had a plan, I'd be able to buy a new lifestyle. [01:09:21] None of what you said of me [01:09:24] is relevent to what I said. [01:09:32] because that's just a tu quoque [01:09:39] Harvey: Scott as Kaiser Y/N [01:09:47] Malliki: N [01:09:52] I'm sorry, I can't. [01:10:10] Maybe after the next, but not now. He'd do what he plans and I can't consciously support that... [01:10:27] But...can you unconsciously support it??! [01:10:30] <***scotta hypnotizes Harvey***> [01:10:35] icebreaker, would you say that "what the shit is X" is evidence of arguing like a jerk, or what? [01:10:52] I love how having plans now disqualifies you from being Kaiser. [01:10:53] Must... eat... chicken wings... B'caw demands it of me... [01:10:56] Maybe that's part of the problem. [01:11:00] WELL I DO IT ALL THE TIME [01:11:06] AND I'M NOT A JERK! ^_________^ [01:11:10] ScottA: plans that will piss people off. What are you, Jonas? [01:11:11] You know who'd make a great Kaiser? Jonas! No plans at all, nothing to cause controversy! [01:11:17] haha [01:11:27] Harvey: Any plan large enough to be important will piss someone off. [01:11:35] It would appear we have somewhat different views on Jonas right now. [01:11:48] ScottA: Even you should understand that we do not need more division right now. [01:11:54] The difference is that in other countries, people accept a little bit of pissed off ness, whereas in Shireroth, someone getting pissed off qualifies as a Seldon crisis. [01:12:00] I'll admit I call his actions "plans" only because some of them show the mildest bit of thought before doing them. [01:12:18] Hey, the Seldon crisis is a running gag, and I'm glad you picked up on it. [01:12:27] Plus it implies there's a way out of this, which is comforting. [01:12:49] please no Seldon Foundation on a disused Sanct... [01:12:49] Bill was talking about the Polish nobles' right to rebel. Well, I heard something else interesting about the old Polish nobility the other day. [01:12:56] CAN WE STOP SAYING "SELDON CRISIS" PLEASE [01:13:06] THANKS [01:13:14] Paul Krugman wrote a column on how the Polish empire might have collapsed cause they had a rule that any one noble could veto anything, so nothing ever got done. [01:13:21] Shireroth is starting to look a lot like that now. [01:13:32] Except it's not an official veto. [01:13:38] YEAH, SEE [01:13:39] What the crap are you talking about? [01:13:45] POLAND WAS WHAT I LIKE TO CALL A "REAL COUNTRY" [01:13:46] On the whole, the rebellions have been miserable failures. [01:13:51] It's more of a "if anyone complains, then no matter how many people want something, it can't be done cause it'll cause controversy" [01:13:54] SOOOOOOOO [01:14:20] controversy is good cause it generates activity. [01:14:21] The one that did suceed, the flag decree one, only succeeded because Jonas claims he was going to repeal it anyway and just decreed it to piss people off. [01:14:25] (NOT KIDDING) [01:14:30] which is mainly why antica is so dead at the moment. [01:14:39] Harvey: I think we're talking about two different things now. I couldn't care less about Jonas. [01:14:56] Does that mean you'll slip a scorpion into his bedsheets? [01:15:10] But, um, then I'm not sure what you're talking about. [01:15:21] Antica? [01:15:28] is pretty dead, yes [01:15:39] beets: apparently you're the lifeblood of antica, and Chrimigules is annoyed that you became inactive. [01:15:47] I'm talking about how I've been relegated to the status of "controversial troublemaker" for proposing something 80% of the population supports, and Erik's in the status of "uncontroversial stabilizing popular guy" for opposing something 80% of the population supports. [01:16:04] Wow, you really want the throne, don't you? [01:16:04] I wasn't much of a life blood [01:16:10] ain't politics grand [01:16:17] You don't usually (publicly) take this that personally... [01:16:20] Harvey: No, I just want to get things done. The throne would be helpful, but not necessary. [01:16:34] He has guns! [01:16:35] also [01:16:37] I really think [01:16:46] Look. Alls I want is for you to not screw with the forum colors and with old names. [01:16:47] Harvey: For the future: you're not very good at figuring out what I am and amn't taking personally over the Internet. [01:16:52] that this merger of personal and publically politics is really harmful to the nation [01:17:08] If not doing that means that "nothing will happen" in your mind, then I think Shireroth might be really running out of options... [01:17:13] ScottA: possibly true. [01:17:21] it does need to screw with the forum colors and old names [01:17:23] Harvey: Understood. And all I want is for you to recognize that your desire not to do that doesn't inherently trump my desire to do that. [01:17:28] shireroth is getting through the flag thing [01:17:40] and it is what is necessary [01:17:43] to attract other people [01:17:59] which is more important than worrying about levels of fleeting activity by a couple of people [01:18:00] ScottA: well, sure it doesn't. You won't get my support for the throne, but since heirs are declared by the Kaiser anyway, my support never mattered nearly as much as I was pretending it does. [01:18:03] upgraded the PPD display somewhat [01:18:06] nearly [01:18:15] I mean [01:18:15] unsure on this new system though [01:18:20] Harvey: No, I'm talking about the broader case. [01:18:25] Never mind. I'm not getting through here. [01:18:27] when is the cutoff point for accuracy of a PPD? :P [01:18:35] We don't need the forum colors thing to add to everything else atm [01:18:53] Okay, so you won't get my support for changing the forum colors and stuff because I think you're chasing a dream that is unobtainable, but if everyone else wants do it, well, nuts to me I suppose. [01:18:56] it's just feedback for that [01:18:58] and [01:19:06] forum colors are personizable [01:19:07] Malliki: Eh, why not finish everything up in one blow while everything's already screwy, rather than cause this same catastrophe next year? [01:19:26] Bill3000: They are, the question will be what the default we present to new people should be. [01:19:28] Because some of us don't think it needs to be done now, next year, or ever. [01:19:31] ScottA: That was actually a pretty lame argument. [01:20:02] I know. [01:20:11] Harvey: And some of us do. So let's use some sort of decision process like the Charter or voting or whatever to decide, rather than saying "At least one person disagrees, therefore we can't do it" [01:20:23] DEMOCRACY TALK [01:20:26] Burn the witch! [01:20:29] I suppose you can lead an elephant over a frozen river once, and then again a while after that. [01:20:38] But why try with two elephants at the same time? [01:20:43] Doesn't this whole country thrive on one group doing stuff and telling the other group to screw off? [01:20:45] You guys were talking about voting on abortion or something [01:20:56] Was it something to do with this charter? [01:20:59] huh [01:20:59] FactFindingMission: Yeah, just did that in Cyberia. [01:21:01] abortion where [01:21:03] What [01:21:14] malliki [01:21:17] Ah, what is Cyberia? [01:21:18] don't ban voting on real political issues [01:21:28] it's what seperates cyberia from other vanilla modern political nations [01:21:32] Bill3000: We won't. We're Cyberia. [01:21:40] FactFindingMission: Micronation. [01:22:00] My problem is the asymmetry. If one person opposes change, then no matter how many people support it they have to bow to the will of that one person. I should find a link describing preference reversal tests. [01:22:06] Bill3000: We actually split the bill of rights in two. One real and one simulated. [01:22:13] The problem with regulations on abortion is that, as a micronation, it is very easy for someone to leave your country if they disagree [01:22:18] ScottA: I guarantee you the link won't help. [01:22:25] eh [01:22:31] FactFindingMission: Hence why it only applies to simulated citizens. [01:22:35] Okay, hold on. Let's get back to the basics here. [01:22:39] Making such a ban unenforcable. [01:22:39] the problem with disagreements on micronations is that it is very easy to leave your country if they disagree [01:22:40] Ari: You have any short, easy to read explanation of the status quo bias and preference reversal tests available? [01:22:59] Whatever we believe about the future, we still have the present to deal with. [01:23:00] Bill3000: That is so true [01:23:20] So before we go building our houses of cards on this or that possibility that may or may not come true, we're still stuck with a Jonas Kaisership. [01:23:22] wiki scott [01:23:30] FactFindingMission: First of all, 99% of all micronationalists will never get an abortion. [01:23:31] Maliki: Is there some moderator that determines what simulated citizens think? [01:23:37] Or some computer program? [01:23:45] eh [01:23:45] My solution was Erik as Kaiser Malarbor because he's usually good at reminding people the country isn't dying, plus people want to see a Malarbor kaisership. [01:23:46] no [01:23:48] the article sucks [01:24:02] FactFindingMission: Why would we need that? [01:24:11] Now, if people disagree, then we can come up with a different plan, but for the love of the STARS ABOVE can we at least stop being future theoretical and make some sort of plan here! [01:24:19] Harvey: Your plan is okay. [01:24:22] wow, that nap did absolutely nothing for me [01:24:31] hi chris [01:24:33] how you doing [01:24:34] You know what's the worst thing about this discussion? It makes me wish I hadn't last been Kaiser so recently ): [01:24:41] I'm just as tired as before I took a nap [01:24:45] http://mnforumlist.com/index.php BAM! [01:24:46] CHRIS [01:24:55] bam? [01:24:58] hi Ruth [01:24:58] as a random question [01:25:02] actually nm [01:25:06] it's a stupid solution or whatever [01:25:09] I think we've lost the floor of the chat room... [01:25:16] Eh, I'll take what I can get for now. Back to Aure sprite. [01:25:18] Actually, wait, no it's not, I still have a bad feeling about it. [01:25:19] gah, all the dates say 1st of jan 2010 [01:25:29] Chrimigules: pimped up the PPD stats [01:25:40] hey chris [01:25:54] ScottA: based on fact, or are you a jedi? [01:25:54] did you? [01:25:58] do you think it's possible to debate on antica without getting personal in them and having people leave and stuff [01:25:59] how so? [01:25:59] not [01:25:59] or [01:26:10] Because if you're a jedi and you've been holding out on me, I'll have you what's for! [01:26:13] if you hover it says the change in posts between dates [01:26:22] and it now doesn't have to be over the past month [01:26:23] Or more realistic. [01:26:23] Well, so that the simulation becomes more interesting. [01:26:23] So you implement a policy, and see the populace's reactions. [01:26:28] "República do Governo Virtual" [01:26:32] it uses the two most recent ones :D [01:26:35] Bill3000: what's the stupid question what? [01:26:39] what is this country [01:26:45] [20:24:54] <@Bill3000> or [01:26:45] [20:24:54] <@Bill3000> do you think it's possible to debate on antica without getting personal in them and having people leave and stuff [01:26:45] [20:24:55] <@Bill3000> not [01:26:48] Look, people have always been complaining that Erik gets too much power no matter what he does, and the rest of the country just has to fall in line. Sometimes this is fair, other times it's a completely unfair complaint, but it's what people believe. [01:27:04] yeah [01:27:09] why would it get personal? [01:27:19] well [01:27:19] hm [01:27:21] So how does it look when we revolt, overthrow a Kaiser, and replace him with Erik, after Erik's done a bunch of revolts, disagreed with everyone, and left in a huff. [01:27:21] the only time it got personal was that one time Gemini flipped out over retroactive enforcement [01:27:23] that's what happens in shireroth [01:27:24] FactFindingMission: That's just stupid. And I know people have been talking about it in certain circles like 10 years ago, but nothing has come out of it. [01:27:28] so [01:27:29] what's different? [01:27:32] because he insisted that we couldn't do something that the US Constitution did [01:27:39] Especially at a time when everyone's already enraged and looking for reasons to blow up? [01:27:43] which was the stupidest argument ever [01:27:51] other than the people [01:27:51] ScottA: mockery of justice that is Erik aside, do you have an actually better proposal? [01:28:00] in Shireroth? [01:28:02] I dunno [01:28:09] Me. Shyriath. Ardashir. [01:28:18] as much as I know of Shireroth, I don't really know it [01:28:23] what's different that makes it such that antica has stable politics while shireroth's is totally lame's other than the possible higher frequency of mental illnesses? [01:28:44] Maliki: Well, I was just asking how you simulate the citizenry [01:28:47] I dunno [01:28:49] You might not use a computer [01:28:50] Okay, how about this? [01:28:58] Shirerithians seem more defensive about maintaining what they have [01:28:59] But I'm sure you have some sort of moderator doing simulations right? [01:29:03] I don't agree with you as you don't agree with me. Ardashir didn't exactly do amazing last time, plus he just got it. Shyriath is great but tends to just poof away... though I'd be willing to chance him anyway, since he's likable. [01:29:05] the sort of "no! it's mine!" response [01:29:08] FactFindingMission: No one simulates citizenry. [01:29:12] How about we approach Jonas, tell him that he's on thin ice and facing a revolt, and ask him to abdicate in favor of Erik. [01:29:29] That way there won't be the whole revolt thing adding to it. [01:29:33]<**beets quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [01:29:44] it sounds like it's getting serious in Shireroth [01:29:45] ScottA: that was part of the plan, actually. The only question is the name at the end of that suggestion. [01:29:46] Hey, Ardashir was Kaiser last even more recently than me ): [01:29:53] it's been serious for a while [01:29:54]<**beets has joined #micronations**> [01:29:59] oops [01:30:15] you don't have a system of forcing the Kaiser out [01:30:15] Hey, I really liked Ardashir's Kaisership. And Ari, you'd be in the running EXCEPT that didn't you end your last Kaisership after a couple of weeks saying you were bored? [01:30:18] that's a problem [01:30:24] Chrimigules: We do, it's just not written down. [01:30:30] which is? [01:30:32] don't say revolt [01:30:32] You're looking at it right now. [01:30:44] also [01:30:51] Ardy didn't do BAD last time, and he wrote really funny decrees, but he didn't exactly do much and just sort of rode the high tide of the nation doing well. [01:30:51] you're missing a fundamental problem in your equation scott [01:30:52] this looks a little like revolt [01:30:54] ScottA: Gaelen III was a pretty deliberate experiment in a full-RP Kaisership. I was in over my head. [01:31:10] Actually, scratch the "pretty". I intended to go full RP right from the first post. [01:31:18] Harvey: Well, if you can get Jonas to abdicate, I guess that gets rid of about 40% of my bad feeling. [01:31:25] it's like youre all huddled together discussing how to kill the king and still maintain a legitimate government [01:31:28] Jonas isn't like other Kaisers, and tends to stick with his own decisions instead of leaving it to peer pressure. [01:31:29] I was just grateful to survive my reign Harvey [01:31:37] chris: it's poland [01:31:38] yeah [01:31:38] that's it [01:31:41] shirerot is fucking poland [01:31:44] shireroth* [01:31:47] I would say the success of getting Jonas to abdicate depends on the weight of the number of voices behind the request. [01:31:52] I was thinking of something more along the lines of prophesizing and then doing 30 years of Malarbor, and then pass it on to Allot [01:31:53] Poland had nifty outfits for its nobility, though [01:31:55] Harvey: I think the high tide of the nation doing well was partly because of him in subtle ways we couldn't detect, although I can't remember why I thought that. [01:31:57] you guys don't have that [01:32:06] Ardy: yeah I have no real complaint. Plus you gave me an award. You're cool. [01:32:23] also they got spontaneous associations and shit [01:32:27] I think Allot would be a mistake right now. Someday, maybe, but anyone who hasn't been Kaiser before would be in way over zir head. [01:32:29] that would be cooler than the informal conspiracies [01:32:38] That I think is a problem, Malliki. [01:32:38] ...Er. [01:32:38] With no simulation, there is no blowback to your policies. No reason to prefer one policy over another if the NPCs don't care. [01:32:38] honestly [01:32:41] Well at least we agree on that... [01:32:41] I'm gonna go with Erik. Neither Ardy or Ari impressed me. [01:32:54] I fucking hope Erik appreciates all this. [01:32:59] the political party ban has always bored me [01:33:01] Nobody ever defends ME behind my back >_> [01:33:02] don't bet on it [01:33:04] FactFindingMission: Not really. Simulated citizenry was tried like 10 years ago and got really boring and weird. [01:33:22] REALLY weird. [01:33:22] Okay, fine. Erik. [01:33:24] if you want blowback, play nationstates [01:33:29] dammit I want malliki [01:33:35] malliki would make an awesome malarbor [01:33:38] Bill3000: After Erik. [01:33:39] but noooo [01:33:42] cyberiiaaaa [01:33:57] make yourself Malarbor II then >_> [01:33:58] Okay, so, then there's only one factor left... [01:34:00] Mallki: How so? [01:34:02] Meanwhile, when Erik reads the logs I am so dead. [01:34:12] what'd you do? [01:34:20] you ever thought of like [01:34:20] Malliki: I played a couple of nation-building games with simulated citizenry [01:34:26] And they worked fine. [01:34:28] Um. I can't deliver this request to Jonas. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't take money from my willing hands at this point, much less an ultimatum. [01:34:31] nation-building games arn't micronations [01:34:34] FactFindingMission: But they are not micronations. [01:34:52] Said I didn't want him as Kaiser. Last time I said some really nice things coupled with one or two "but he's not so good at..." and he got really upset and Harvey still thinks that's why he left. [01:34:56] True, they have differnet intentions, Malliki. [01:35:06] But the mechanics that govern the two nations are the same. [01:35:06] ah [01:35:10] I'm quite confident in it. [01:35:10] they have different functions too [01:35:11] Mostly. [01:35:14] FactFindingMission: Again, not really. [01:35:16] I don't want to do it either, because he's been nice to me. [01:35:26] How about Ari? Everyone trusts Ari. [01:35:30] does he read the logs? [01:35:36] Sometimes. [01:35:37] Is Ari willing? [01:35:38] dude [01:35:44] well, tell him not to [01:35:44] ari: ! [01:35:45] Could not connect: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) [01:35:45] Warning: mysql_connect() [function.mysql-connect]: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) in /home/drspangl/public_html/IPlog.php on line 3 [01:35:45] Not as obsessively as I do, but sometimes. [01:35:48] #conspiracychat [01:35:53] Chris: Yeah, that'd work. [01:35:57] alright [01:35:59] then don't tell him to [01:36:03] Malliki: You run a nation, you deal with problems, you implement policies and roleplay as if you are a major leader within that nation [01:36:06] put a negative somewhere in that [01:36:06] hallo join #conspiracychat [01:36:06] : Joined #conspiracychat. [01:36:09] Alternate chat rooms are for unstable recruitment theory ONLY. [01:36:16] Malliki: you engage in dialouge with other nations [01:36:28] i better find the topics list for tomorrow [01:36:32] I'm not going to lie about my opinions. I just wish people wouldn't take them personally. [01:36:40] scott [01:36:43] as I said [01:36:46] FactFindingMission: this sure sounds like NationStates. [01:36:49] this is a fundamental problem of shireroth honestly [01:37:00] Bill: What is? [01:37:07] FactFindingMission: You miss the fact that in micronations, there are several people around, most of them unwilling to have some fucktard telling them that there was an earthquake in Whereevertown. [01:37:09] debates becoming personal [01:37:18] Harvey: I played other nation-building sims, Harvey, that operate on the same priniciples. [01:37:32] Bill3000: Yes, or, moreso, people *thinking* that debates have become personal when nothing personal was intended. [01:37:48] FactFindingMission: What you are talking about was tried, as I said, like 10 years ago and didn't go well. [01:37:56] while I don't know what causes it [01:37:57] I think Harvey does it to me sometimes, and I wouldn't be surprised if I did it to others. [01:38:05] I think the informal nature is a problem :/ [01:38:10] I mean [01:38:13] Tsch, you've done it to me Scott. [01:38:16] you can't go all like OOC or something [01:38:32] Malliki: Several people can exist in nation-building games, and they can tolerate random events and situations, if it leads to fun and enjoyment for all. [01:38:37] Bill3000: I think it has something to do with the political system and the kind of people it tends to attract and make. [01:38:38] instead you get people crying over forum colors [01:38:46] It provides them a challenge. [01:38:57] FactFindingMission: So? Go do that then and stop bothering me with it. [01:39:08] I'm just wondering what could be done to help stop it though. [01:39:09] I don't think it's nearly as simplistic of a phenomena as you're making it out to be, Bill. [01:39:09] Mallki: Well, er... [01:39:21] dude it's pretty simple [01:39:23] person A wants X [01:39:26] person B wants Y [01:39:39] person B is offended [01:39:47] person B cries and goes on extended leave of absense or emigrates [01:40:02] What I wouldn't give for you to be person B at this point... [01:40:17] you were... weren't you?# [01:40:35] ah facepalm [01:40:41] But it's more like Person A wants X, person B wants Y. Person A is the Kaiser, so suck it person B. Person B resents the fact that person A is really just an equal in the group that happens to be in charge for now and is using his time to change a bunch of stuff without asking everyone. [01:41:05] i'm not even talking about the kaiser here [01:41:23] Malliki: I was just wanting to explain my position. But if you aren't simulating the citizens, whatare you simulating? [01:41:25] the three LoAs weren't caused by it [01:41:28] Person B has no recourse other than making a lot of noise and issuing threats, and eventually realizes it's not going him any good, so if he cares enough he either slips out quietly or leaves in a huff. [01:41:29] Harvey: Yeah, pretty much. We talk about being an autocracy, but we really aren't. [01:41:35] you guys have a lot of resentment issues [01:41:44] yeah [01:41:46] Shireroth is one of the most democracy nations ever, and it's a poorly kept secret. [01:41:57] and no interesting ways to let it go [01:41:58] I mean [01:41:59] in antica [01:42:02] you can debate and stuff [01:42:03] FactFindingMission: Who said we are simulating anything? Perhaps I misused the word. "Fictional citizens" would be better. [01:42:08] The constant Kaiser changeovers rob the Kaiser of the authoritative power that other nations just accept. [01:42:12] Okay [01:42:14] Gotcha. [01:42:19] in shireroth it's held up until the end [01:42:20] yeah, and in Antica, nothing's going on [01:42:27] the solution is [01:42:29] okay [01:42:31] to join antica [01:42:34] I know I know [01:42:45] Hey, she might have said something else! [01:42:47] sure but in the past chris [01:42:47] Antica annexes Shireroth! [01:43:04] we need to liberate Shireroth [01:43:07] <***chrimigules hops in a tank***> [01:43:08] YES [01:43:14] yeah [01:43:14] Pah to the past. It's the present that's getting iffy. [01:43:17] stop it from being lame please [01:43:18] that's what I've been saying all day [01:43:32] No, not that, Harvey. I was talking about when antica was active. [01:43:45] It didn't have the deep resentment issues. [01:43:49] an antican takeover bid - that'd be good for group cohesiveness [01:43:50] I've heard good stories about that time too, but they clearly are untrue right now... [01:44:06] I'd love to be in a nation where politics is okay, as long as I didn't actually have a government job. [01:44:28] Harvey: considering how things are going, I'm going to be running the entire government soon [01:44:30] Harvey: Cyberia? [01:44:34] Harvey: I disliked Jonas' Kaisership even more when he answered my question in the IAC about what Bjorn is doing with "I'm not really obligated to explain anything to you." [01:44:38] Antica used to be a shining beacon of hope [01:44:44] o_O [01:44:50] Malliki: yeah, he does that. [01:44:56] He did that when he wasn't Kaiser. [01:44:57] Malliki: To be fair, you were really confrontational and unnecessarily jerkish with the way you asked that. [01:45:01] Chrimigules: :( [01:45:22] and you know, I don't really mind. When other people do things, they do it half-heartedly. [01:45:30] ScottA: he was, but we're also a bit resentful at being completely in the dark about the Kaiser having any actual plans. [01:45:36] ScottA: I was being honest and I think I gave a pretty accurate description of reality. [01:45:47] dude [01:45:53] Bjorn said he thought Jonas's request was just for Kildare. [01:46:01] It's the reason this conspiracy is getting serious :) [01:46:26] there's nothing wrong with being a jerk [01:46:31] people just need to have some skin [01:46:40] Well, Ari's not around. You want me to PM Jonas? [01:46:57] Okay. Would you care to show us what you are going to say, or would you prefer not to? [01:47:12] First of all, how many names can I put on here? [01:47:26] Mine, which also happens to be the Steward's. [01:47:28] Me, you, Malliki, Erik at the least. [01:47:35] Is Erik officially in? [01:47:42] Bill just to spite him. Ari's more supportive than not. [01:47:45] Yes he is. [01:47:49] Okay. [01:47:51] Ardy? [01:47:59] wait [01:48:06] why are you putting me on - oh right, just to piss me off [01:48:08] nah - mainly due to the replacement suggested [01:48:19] Bill: Are you supportive of this, or not? [01:48:24] look [01:48:26] i'm nervous [01:48:32] and think he'll ignore it [01:48:33] Well, depending on the wording, we could have the list of names represent the people that want Jonas to resign. [01:48:44] And the abdication in favor of Erik can be a more personal suggestion. [01:48:49] and I think it'll make allot et al even more pissed [01:48:50] just use the landsraad to reach a conclusive way forward [01:48:52] and I do NOT want them to leave [01:48:57] YES [01:48:58] THANK YOU ARDY [01:49:03] Maybe we should talk to Allot first. [01:49:06] WHY THE FUCK CAN'T WE USE THE LANDSRAAD FOR KAISER MATTERS [01:49:11] That...is actually a good idea. [01:49:12] TO BOOT A KAISER OUT [01:49:12] ScottA: I said that before. [01:49:15] TO ELECT WHOEVER [01:49:23] No eleciton.s [01:49:31] Bill3000: Cause we don't do it like that. The Charter doesn't allow it. [01:49:32] Just a Landsraad resolution suggesting the Kaiser step down. [01:49:44] the landsraad has ruled a couple of times though in extremis [01:49:48] Wait. [01:49:48] You're just oing to ask Mr. Kasier to step down? [01:49:48] And if he doesn't, then what? [01:49:48] How do you do a revolution? What are the rules for war in Shirretoh again? [01:49:51] Wait [01:49:54] Er. [01:50:02] Do you have a link to the Charter's text? [01:50:02] actually yes [01:50:06] what are your plans [01:50:10] if jonas just refuses to step down [01:50:10] We haven't quite decided on the "then what" stage. [01:50:16] because as I said [01:50:17] FactFindingMission: http://www.shireroth.org/shirewiki/Charter [01:50:17] that is a problem [01:50:22] FactFinding: Rules are kind of unnecessary. This will be a serious revolt, which means no recwarring. [01:50:22] and I think it could backfire [01:50:22]<**beets quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [01:50:38] I suppose I'll continue my LoA, and if other people have plans, I'd be willing to listen. [01:50:42]<**beets has joined #micronations**> [01:50:46] Just get in, tell the guy to leave, if he doesn't, the background movers and shakers of the nation briefly kick him out and then return to the background. [01:50:52] dude jonas isn't going to care about you if you're on LoA [01:51:07] Luckily for me, I'm not the whole nation. [01:51:21] Jonas can't be that arrogant that he doesn't take this for what it is. [01:51:26] as I said before, you really shouldn't leave just because you can't get what you want. This is part of the problem. [01:51:42] what you need is a sort of magna carta moment where the Kaiser is given a petition requesting better governance he either takes it and rules with the landsraad or he's toast [01:51:43] Right. So, Malliki. You're a Duke. You wanna start a Landsraad resolution in favor of Jonas' resignation? [01:51:56] ScottA: I'm not, but I am a member. [01:51:57] The problem is far larger than I am, and your continual harassing of me is beyond useless. It's sooo boring. Boring. And stuff. [01:51:58] Ardy: I have the name "Mango Carta" ready for just such a situation. [01:52:08] Oh, right, Llai. [01:52:10] I'm not harassing you [01:52:17] I should have seen that one coming ScottA [01:52:21] But I can introduce it if you give me the lingo. [01:52:48] Perhaps we should try the PM in favor of not making that pun... [01:53:00] Ugh...the Landsraad is the proper way of doing this...but it's going to be so awkward. [01:53:18] there actually is no proper way of doing this. [01:53:18] Not to mention slow and potentially more damaging. [01:53:24] beause you have 2 inactive dukes, one is ryan [01:53:25] The LawBook even says we're all screwed. [01:53:29] actually yeah [01:53:32] the landsraad just plain sucks [01:53:37] more proof of shireroth's shitty political system [01:53:46] Hey, Bill, why hasn't Kildare voted on the flag yet? [01:53:55] because the duke is on fucking LoA for a week [01:54:00] Scorch. [01:54:01] and hasn't appointed a steward [01:54:16] Are there time rules on Landsraad votes? [01:54:19] Bill3000: The Shirerithian political system is centered around the Kaiser. [01:54:22] More proof of Kildare's shitty political system. [01:54:33] and when the Kaiser sucks... [01:54:33] I think there are time rules. [01:54:38] ScottA: Yeah. [01:54:50] I just think that we should have a less lame landsraad [01:55:02] one less depended on inactive dukes [01:55:29] Well, that's what the time rules are for... [01:55:37] What you really want is a duchy that has its act together. [01:55:40] Or perhaps a Kaiser that kicks the inactive dukes in the ass. [01:55:44] time rules doesn't solve the problem [01:56:07] It's a national level problem that your duke didn't appoint a steward, is it? [01:56:20] yes [01:56:21] well no [01:56:24] the steward exists [01:56:29] he just is on permanent LoA [01:56:35] and he wanted to keep his positions? [01:56:38] <***harvey sighs.***> [01:56:48] Well, it happens. [01:56:52] Who's the Steward? [01:56:55] I am [01:56:56] gareth [01:56:59] Oh [01:57:00] sorry [01:57:08] thought you meant for Shireroth haha [01:57:17] actually [01:57:24] I can't guarentee kildare's vote [01:57:30] in a landsraad removal position [01:57:46] I have 50% of the votes, the other people are andreas, william payne, and jonas [01:57:51] jonas is not going to vote for his own removal [01:57:56] Did the Kaiser already chose a heir? [01:57:56] "Should no heir have been chosen, the successor shall be the closest related living individual eligible by birthright." [01:57:56] If no heir is chosen, merely killing the Kasier should give the successorship to somebody else [01:57:56] And you could then deal with the new kasier [01:57:56] and get him to abdicate. [01:57:57] You can't guarantee a vote period! [01:57:57] andreas is gone [01:58:14] Are you suggesting we kill the kaiser? [01:58:16] Huh. [01:58:21] Ardy! Stat! [01:58:22] invoke the gods or something :p [01:58:22] There's a four day period for Landsraad votes. [01:58:24] FactFindingMission: I think we know the rules. [01:58:29] ScottA: Yes [01:58:31] uh. [01:58:42] That means flag ends tomorrow. [01:58:52] shit [01:58:53] Maalliki: Okay. [01:58:54] Even if the resolution does pass the Landsraad, it doesn't do anything. [01:59:13] Harvey: I am just trying to find some legal backing for the Landsraad resolution. [01:59:17] That's all. [01:59:20] hm [01:59:22] FactFindingMission: There isn't any [01:59:28] I'm sure it's legal, but we have to find it. [01:59:34] do you think it's possible for the kaiser to appoint the steward of kildare [01:59:35] FactFindingMission: It isn't. [01:59:36] is such a thing legal [01:59:40] All right, we got to find Cho'Gall stat. [01:59:47] Bill3000: Of course it is possible. [01:59:52] It's only legal in certain situations, such as going AFK indefinitely or completely mad with power. [02:00:03] Jonas, for all his inadequacies, hasn't broken any laws. [02:00:12] going to pm jonas [02:00:28] Harvey: It isn't legal in those cases either. [02:00:44] Malliki: really? I was pretty confident on that AFK one. [02:01:36] ScottA: are you really going to try a Landsraad resolution? [02:01:37] The Landsraad never has any legal powers over the Kaiser [02:01:57] At best, BEST, they could issue a statement that says the Kaiser should abdicate. If they even passed that. [02:02:04] Yes. [02:02:18] Which Jonas could veto. [02:02:33] I suppose the ensuring political shitstorm could cause Jonas to give up in frustration, but isn't that sort of what we're trying to avoid? [02:03:06] it is [02:03:33] I think a PM would be best. [02:03:48] preferably giving him the option of giving his own reasons for abdicating. [02:03:52] The flag vote ends tomorrow, and Kildare has not voted yet. The Duke is on LoA, and he has not appointed a Steward. Kildare needs a new Steward to vote on the matter. Is it possible that you could decree someone (possibly me? :love ) to be Steward, at least until the Duke of Kildare he comes back and makes a permanent decision, before tomorrow? I'm sure that it is perfectly legal to do such a thing as Kaiser. [02:03:52] Jonas, [02:03:58] send [02:04:00] sent* [02:04:00]<**beets quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [02:04:05] he could then say "I'm abdicating since I don't feel active enough blah blah blah" [02:04:26] Bill3000: Of course it is perfectly legal. [02:04:39] Okay. I'll try the PM route. [02:04:44] not yet please [02:04:55] and do not put my name on the list [02:05:03] Or would the IAC be better? [02:05:11] wait until the vote is done [02:05:14] IAC might be better actually. [02:05:23] Malliki, Harvey, and I can all say we advise him to accept, and he can't go against all three advisors. [02:05:31] scott [02:05:32] pm ryan [02:05:33] Ari too, if he's an advisor these days. [02:05:36] regarding straylight's votes [02:05:43] I agree with going through the IAC. He can go against us tho. [02:05:54] I never expected such finely crafted rules. [02:05:54] He could go against the PM. [02:05:55] Bill3000: The law says that the votes are those listed at the beginning of the vote, so even if Ryan changed now it wouldn't help. [02:06:05] ugh wtf [02:06:07] Good job,...er...Shireoth. [02:06:14] it's tied [02:06:24] Well, I PMed Chogall [02:06:27] Bill3000: Just because people don't vote. [02:06:30] You PM Jonas about Kildare. [02:06:36] I did. [02:07:04] Malliki: You're the most arbiterry person around. If Allot doesn't close the vote tomorrow, even though he should, is that legally binding? [02:07:36] <***harvey looks it up.***> [02:07:49] ScottA: Technically no. [02:07:57] hm [02:08:01] What was the question? [02:08:12] The vote closes automatically after 96 hours. [02:08:52] Should I IAC it now, or should we wait for the flag thing to blow over? [02:09:00] Now [02:09:00] wait until the flag thing blows over [02:09:02] ... [02:09:03] no [02:09:08] Keep in mind that if the flag thing ties, I'd rather have Jonas deciding what to do with it than Erik. [02:09:15] Are ties auto-fails? [02:09:20] yes [02:09:23] ardy just voted [02:09:29] ScottA: now. [02:09:30] it's 14-12 [02:09:30] for? [02:09:32] YEA [02:09:33] lol [02:09:41] Huh. [02:09:44] Cool. [02:09:45] Chogall needs to vote [02:09:46] Wait. [02:09:50] Ardy's in Elwynn, right? [02:09:55] yes [02:10:07] Legally he can't vote [02:10:10] Cho'Gall has all ten. [02:10:12] oh ffs [02:10:13] oh [02:10:18] good night [02:10:25] ardy [02:10:28] when did that change? [02:10:28] Nothin' like an actually controversial Landsraad resolution to remind us how screwed up our system is. [02:10:34] chogall is waiting your your opinion [02:10:35] Erik was so defensive when I suggested we should abolish this retarded system. [02:10:50] Why in the heck did the procedures of the landsraad get archived... [02:11:02] Ardy: The votes in the Big Fat Vote thread are the legal ones. [02:11:04] ScottA: I didn't need a reminder :) [02:11:07] ScottA: What's this flag debate all about? [02:11:10] Cause we never use them until an important Landsraad vote, which happens approximately once every NEVER. [02:11:14]<**Hesam has joined #micronations**> [02:11:36] Ardy, Chogall is waiting for your input [02:11:40] in the council of eliria [02:11:43] Fact: Some people want to replace Shireroth's old flag, which is badly drawn but traditional, with a new flag, which is shiny but nontraditional. [02:11:45] http://shireroth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=166&t=12716 [02:11:56] ah k [02:11:57] tyhanks [02:12:22] Can't you have two offical flags? [02:12:26] See http://shireroth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12744 [02:12:33] Like how some nations have two offical languages? [02:12:39] Fact: We tried various unlikely compromises, but no one except me was really into them. [02:12:41] ...no [02:12:43] well [02:12:47] there's an imperial standard [02:12:49] but that's not "two flags" [02:12:55] Having two official flags is wiggety whack. [02:12:58] offical languages arn't symbols [02:13:10] OH FFS!!! [02:13:14] what [02:13:17] The flag marked "imperial standard' on that thread is the old one, the flag marked "flag" is the proposed new one. [02:13:20] Aryeztur's vote is illgal. Ardy's vote is illegal. [02:13:31] aryez's vote isn't illegal [02:13:36] Yes it is [02:13:39] no it's not [02:13:40] he's duke [02:13:40] According to that vote thread it is. [02:13:43] He's voting with all 10 votes. [02:13:45] he can't. [02:13:56] oh [02:13:57] Does that mean I still have three votes? [02:13:58] who has the rest of the votes [02:14:04] lol [02:14:05] Harvey: It does. [02:14:06] okay [02:14:09] this is an incredibly gay system [02:14:12] Well well well... [02:14:18] get off of LoA please :( [02:14:20] But Allot recorded Aryez's vote. [02:14:27] Hesam is back. hurray! [02:14:36] and drunk? [02:14:44] malliki just ignore it and no one will care [02:14:57] Hey, I have an idea. [02:14:58] Y'know, thanks to http://shireroth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=12743 , a legal case could be made that he's got all 10 [02:15:03] Yeah, that. Let's just not tell anyone. [02:15:17] unfortunately, not drunk [02:15:22] fix that [02:15:33] "Should anyone break a law, but do so either as part of a non-malicious act or for reasons that are obviously good ones and beneficial to the nation, they will not be considered guilty and will not be subject to the normal punishment." [02:15:36] Legal cases could be made for many positions, but that would involving courts that don't have any active court members. [02:15:46] I take that as a general license to ignore stupid laws. [02:15:57] I take that as a reason to impeach Jonas [02:16:34] ScottA: That doesn't apply. [02:16:36] Bill, trying to [02:16:43] I take it as a WAIT UNTIL HE APPOINTS ME STEWARD BEFORE YOU BLOW UP HIS KAISERSHIP reason [02:17:02] Bill3000: *I* can appoint you Steward... [02:17:06] oh [02:17:14] cool [02:17:17] could you? :D [02:17:23] Look guys, you're getting WAAAAY to involved in this bullshit. Its starting to effect Shireroth's funloving reputation.. [02:17:24] Just go with the ignore the technicalities approach. [02:17:36] Hesam: are you kidding? This is good times. [02:17:38] I could and will. [02:17:53] I think the technicalities are important because I can't post in the landsraad >_> [02:17:57] So are we ignoring the vote issue thing with Aryez? [02:18:13] Harvey: Yes. Since I just can't be bothered with it. [02:18:26] Allot doesn't even understand how to do it. [02:18:27] You are a true patriot. [02:18:33] The system is retarded. [02:18:39] we should fix that [02:18:39]<**FactFindingMission quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [02:18:40] ...but [02:18:43] that requires a non-erik kaiser [02:18:48] goddammit [02:18:53] Bill3000: Not really. [02:19:04] thought you said he didn't want to change the system [02:19:05] The system is okay. It's the upkeep that's causing issues. [02:19:11] The voting system is an internal Landsraad thing, so the Kaiser can't interfere. [02:19:16] ah [02:19:50] Harvey: That's because it's too hard to keep track of. [02:20:14] Harvey: Should I appoint Bill Steward of Kildare? [02:20:49] Malliki: I dunno. He hasn't exactly been a good boy lately. [02:20:57] Make him bark like a dog. [02:21:08] <***bill3000 barks***> [02:21:15] Um... [02:21:23] The vote closes on Sunday. [02:21:43] Is that a problem? [02:22:12] Seems like quite some time left before we need to get our panties in a twist [02:22:17] no [02:22:23] the dutch doesn't have internet for a week [02:22:36] My panties are in a twist about a continuing Jonas Kaisership, not this silly flag vote. [02:23:03] Harvey: That is a different issue. Jonas will go crazy if I decree this. [02:23:14] But he proly won't like me supporting his removal either... [02:23:31] So what's your solution? [02:24:02] the only other person he could appoint is himself [02:24:04] which would be lame [02:24:15] Yet strangely in character. [02:24:30] My solution is that I use my Steward powers to appoint Bill Steward of Kildare while at the same time plotting to overthrow the legitimate Kaiser of Shireroth. [02:24:30] LOL [02:24:50] Did Scott just LOL? [02:24:55] wow [02:25:02] You said I never did the other day, and I had to prove you wrong. [02:25:14] what was that to [02:25:17] Yeah, okay, if you do it for that reason it doesn't really count. [02:25:19] Anyhow, am I IACing this or not? [02:25:24] not yet [02:25:29] ScottA: yes yet! [02:25:31] no! [02:25:46] Hmm..>Bill's said no twice, and Harvey's only said yes once. [02:25:47] What is your waiting based on, exactly? [02:26:00] Malliki said yes earlier, so that's two against one [02:26:01] until I get appointed steward of kildare and the flag votes closes [02:26:06] The "one crisis at a time" principle sounds convincing. [02:26:17] really just the former [02:26:22] Pah, Malliki can handle all that, Jonas or no Jonas. [02:26:31] He's quite clever, you know. [02:26:44] Bill, your aesthetics suck. [02:26:56]<**ScottA quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [02:26:58] you're leaving arn't you [02:27:06] Hmm [02:27:25] Well, on one hand I think he's waiting until the flag vote ends, but on the other hand the running gag continues. [02:27:30] I guess we both win. [02:28:30] If he's waiting we have to wait until Sunday. [02:28:36] I'm decreeing you now Bill. [02:29:06] Technically either of us could do it ourselves in the meantime. [02:29:25] true [02:29:31] my lack of access to secret forums annoys me [02:30:11] Scott went into the IAC to plead on your behalf about Audentior. [02:30:31] and I can't see it! :( [02:30:33] Jonas was fairly unreceptive there, but it seems you worked it out in the end. [02:30:43] He brought up your abandonment of Nelaga. [02:30:57] CAN I STEAL YOUR LOGIN FOR A SEC PLS [02:31:22] Um, no. [02:31:57] can I have the thread? :( [02:32:09] ...are there even any espionage laws? [02:32:40] wait [02:32:43] shireroth was annexed by babkha? [02:32:51] Bill3000: You are allowed to revolt to replace the Dutch, according to Kildare's charter thingy. [02:33:05] Bill it's complicated ;) [02:33:14] SPLAIN [02:33:26]<**banaan quit #micronations " kbai" **> [02:33:34] the problem with revolting is that it requires roleplaying [02:33:50] And probably money. [02:33:53] Hesam was Kaiser and make a secret decree - erm, Ric went along with it for a bit after Hesam abdicated but then fessed up [02:33:53] JONAS [02:34:10] secret decree? [02:34:15] oh yes [02:34:18] Hesam - explain [02:34:31] no, bored. You explain [02:35:30] Hesam: can't be bothered? [02:35:44] something like thatg [02:35:44] can't remember :p anyway long story short Ric was shah and Hesam was Kaiser, Hesam pledged Shireroth to Babkha as a fief, a few laughs were had and then Ric and Hesam contrived to swap roles [02:35:57] lol [02:36:06] rather, amalgomate both. Which happened for a while [02:36:11] then eventually there was the big reveal and I think it was a bit of a minor scandal at the time [02:36:16] Bill3000: Gareth is Steward at the moment, right? [02:36:22] Yes, but he left. [02:37:02] ah [02:37:05] speaking of which [02:37:15] we need a new MiniImmigration [02:37:21] MiniNat? [02:37:22] Erik got very upset about the sword of vengeance winding up in a Babkhan souvenir shop [02:37:26] whatever [02:37:28] lol [02:37:54] MiniImNat [02:38:07] We need a new Arbiter, new MiniImNat [02:38:10] new Kaiser... [02:38:26] How can Jonas not have appointed a new Arbiter yet? [02:38:29] From the legendary Ostani-i Sathrati affendi, for you; 12 rial. [02:38:31] New that, new that. [02:38:42] Did you ever give the sword back in character? [02:38:47] nope [02:38:59] Owned [02:39:01] I told him hesam would do it [02:39:08] but he told me to tell hesam to immigrate [02:39:11] I once offered to give it to Scott, but he never really bothered humouring the idea [02:39:12] but hesam won't immigrate [02:39:34] he's counting on me being 'interesting' if I joined [02:39:44] I'd do ImNat if I wasn't on LoA and if there was a new Kaiser. [02:39:47] 1. Rebellion to overthrow a legitimate Kaiser, Duke, or Baron is prohibited. [02:39:48] uh [02:39:59] whereas in micronations, apathy is much more sinister [02:40:28] can't we just fucking declare malliki perpetual arbiter and say screw all the restrictions on the job [02:40:29] Yeah, 'can't be bothered' is the greatest of weapons. [02:40:55] Bill3000: It is allowed if the person agrees. [02:41:08] And if you put it in a Charter that it's okay, you pretty much agree. [02:41:26] Bill3000: http://shireroth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12764 [02:41:29] yey [02:41:35] Harvey: Join Ardy and I in our apathy, and our indifference will destroy the world as we know it. [02:41:53] Tempting, tempting. [02:42:03] Especially based on how much shit I get for actually giving a damn. [02:42:14] it is your destiny.. [02:42:27] dude [02:42:31] I told you what needs to be done [02:42:33] Do you have red lightsabers? [02:42:35] but eh [02:43:12] Harvey: Red would suggest some sort of emotion. Our lightsabers are grey [02:43:19] Bill3000: You are teh Steward now [02:43:29] thanks malliki [02:43:32] I can't do anything with it unless I get forum access though [02:43:49] grey and flickering [02:44:08] like washed out florescent tubes. [02:44:25] I think I approve of that. [02:44:29] also I wish I could have read the IAC thread about me :( [02:44:30] Bill3000: Can't help you there I'm afraid. [02:44:40] As Kaiser you have admin powers. [02:44:44] I just have mod powers. [02:44:51] well [02:44:54] you could just [02:44:55] save the thread [02:44:56] adn give it to me [02:45:00] via email or something [02:45:10] can't be bothered [02:45:21] Pretty much [02:45:35] We'd wear them on some sort of cool utility belt, but we always end up forgetting them at the pub. So instead, we just leave them at home and go to the pub. [02:45:41] Where we sit in silence and drink. [02:45:41] ARI!!!! [02:45:50] I got it [02:45:50] uh [02:45:53] magically [02:45:56] I see you online on the forum you big Finn you! [02:46:04] GIVE BILL ACCESS TO THE LANDSRAAD! [02:46:08] he did already [02:46:12] oh [02:46:13] :P [02:46:19] Ari is busy defending Finland from the Soviets. [02:46:25] it's kind of freaky [02:46:35] someone never saying anything [02:46:38] always watching [02:46:46] and yet willing [02:46:52] manifesting reality [02:47:02] Is this going to turn into softcore ari porn? [02:47:15] Hesam: They know what they should do. Join Sweden again! [02:47:19] animal sex is corey's job [02:47:28] TOGETHER WE CAN RULE SCANDINAVIA MORE THAN SWEDEN ALREADY IS! [02:47:32] I need to make another audentior decree. [02:47:38] tetrapole... something. [02:47:46] Jonas says he wants me to add democracy in audentior but [02:47:49] how am I supposed to do that? [02:47:54] it's a county. no one cares. [02:48:04] Bill3000: Tell him to fuck himself. [02:48:05] Ari really is some sort of Shireroth deity. [02:48:08] Malliki: I sort of like Finland as it is. Bizarre, abstract and desolate. [02:48:10] Vote on the flag. [02:48:17] No plan can succeed without it being in his good favor. [02:48:31] are there any procedures for voting or whatever in the kildare thing [02:48:33] HEY! WHERE THE FUCK IS MY DEIFICATION????? REMEMBER: GRAND ARCHIVE. DO IT. [02:48:45] Bill3000: Yes, you need the support of the Seanad, which you do. [02:48:47] Just vote ffs. [02:48:50] Hesam: sod off. Be happy with your statue. [02:48:57] I AM YOUR GOD. [02:49:03] k [02:49:17]<**Chogall has joined #micronations**> [02:49:27] Chogall, vote on the flag ffs! [02:49:29] hi chogall! [02:49:33] I wubbe you [02:49:39] Hello? [02:49:45] OBEY ME NERDS, FOR MY PATH OF APATHY IS THE TRUE NATURE OF THE UNIVERSE. MINDLESS AND INDIFFERENT. [02:49:47] Oh you know what malliki [02:49:56] I think i might just not vote [02:50:01] Just to spite you [02:50:06] :( [02:50:11] I think thats what ill do [02:50:26] Chogall: Hello, how are you? Everything's alright? [02:50:31] I love you chogall :D [02:50:48] Oh hello malliki [02:50:55] Youre awfully cheery today [02:51:06] to what do i owe the pleasure? [02:51:22] hm [02:51:25] monkey butts? [02:51:31] is that a good pleasure-owing object? [02:51:38] Chogall: Now, pretty please, with sugar, cream and a cherry on top, vote on the fucking flag. [02:51:46] Hmmm [02:52:12] Excuse me while i find an appropriate youtube video [02:52:44] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lITBGjNEp08 [02:53:00] Cept youre swedish and not dutch [02:53:01] Excuse me while I find an appropriate Imperial Charter quote [02:53:09] i should have dubbed it [02:53:10] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ [02:53:18] just keep your old flag fools. [02:53:22] You crazy swedish bastard [02:53:30] hm [02:53:34] I want the next decree to be made entirely in youtube clips chog [02:53:37] imma keeping that for jonas when I need it in the future >_> [02:53:49] Chogall: "The Steward of Shireroth shall be vested with all the Executive, Legislative and Judicial powers of the Kaiser" [02:54:05] Are you gonna spank me? [02:54:12] Oooooh I like that [02:54:12] Oh yes [02:54:15] Spank meh good [02:54:28] Oh and hello mr khan [02:54:47] evenin [02:55:03] The decree was rp btw [02:55:11] Dont hunt me down please [02:55:18] i have so much to live for [02:55:41] hm [02:55:44] Yes I'm quite sure ;) [02:55:48] clearly we need a [youtube] plugin [02:55:52] so wait [02:55:58] is ardy both in kildare and elwynn? [02:56:04] Chogall: Why won't you vote? :( [02:56:12] because he's doing it to spite you [02:56:21] But that is a retarded reason [02:56:22] Leo said the smartest thing to do in order to fight you was to attempt to neutrlize you [02:56:23] because he knows that it hurts your soul [02:56:24]<**ScottA has joined #micronations**> [02:56:34] hi scott [02:56:40] Hey. [02:56:47] Heya scotticus maximus [02:56:48] Chogall: But why fight me? [02:56:52] Oh [02:56:56] Maybe because [02:56:58] Hey Cho. I sent you a private message, but it turned out to be kinda unnecessary. [02:57:04] Oh [02:57:06] where's allot chogall [02:57:13] I must be important to get a PM! [02:57:16] is it possible that he could stay on for more than 2 minutes :( [02:57:22] I ought to log in [02:57:24] oh I got an honorary county care of Jonas [02:57:28] Well, I deleted it later, but you might have read it first. [02:57:45] All I was saying was that the flag was tied and Kildare couldn't vote, so it was up to you to break it before it closes on Sunday. [02:57:52] hmm [02:57:53] But Kildare found a "creative" way to vote anyway. [02:58:12] Oh two PMs! [02:58:15] ScottA: I hope that by "creative" you mean "awesome" [02:58:21] This day keeps getting better [02:58:41] oh and the reason allot is kind of [02:58:47] faded atm [02:58:54] is confidential [02:59:06] Is he a demon? [02:59:07] Hesam: WTF??? [02:59:07] wat [02:59:18] fucktard [02:59:20]<**Hesam has joined #micronations**> [02:59:43] malliki pm [03:00:32] No scott [03:00:36] its confidential [03:00:37] On that note I bid you all a fond good night [03:00:37] SCOTT HAS THE LEARNING CHANNEL [03:00:42]<**Ardy quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [03:00:55] o [03:00:56] you said tic [03:00:57] not tlc [03:01:06] Same reason leo hasnt come back yet [03:01:08] Oh, Scott came back? [03:01:09] ha [03:01:10] What is dis? [03:01:29] Harvey: Hesam is being a fucktard. [03:01:37] How? What did Hesam say? [03:01:52] Malliki: do you have a statue of yourself? No. Hush. [03:02:20] So ardy said yes to the flag change [03:02:23] allot said yes [03:02:23] Malliki, its no use, you're already busted. Babkha Zinabad! [03:02:28] and iskander said no [03:02:30] hmmm [03:02:31] well no [03:02:32] he didn't say no [03:02:34] he said abstain [03:02:38] Oh [03:02:40] well fuck him [03:02:45] Okay okay good lord, you don't all have to PM me a link in public view. [03:02:48] indecision is retarded [03:02:57] INDECISION 08 [03:03:05] Ahaha [03:03:05] No [03:03:13] Id rather not vote at all [03:03:14] I don't see how this significantly affects anything really. [03:03:28] than to acknowledge the vote and not vote [03:03:35] Harvey: Other than lower Hesam's awesomeness count by about a gazillion. [03:04:04] Well, I'll admit I don't understand his reasons, but this is a chat with Bill3000 in it so I'm kinda numb to that now. [03:04:19] wait what [03:04:42] So what's our response? Still waiting until Sunday? [03:05:00] ingore it? [03:05:04] al gore it [03:05:09] yeah i said it [03:05:09] implore it? [03:05:09] al gore it [03:05:11] take that bitch [03:05:16] it's a manbearbig [03:05:18] it's a manbearpig [03:05:38] Chogall: So you dislike being included in the decision-making process+ [03:05:44] Nope [03:05:48] ScottA: Do it now. [03:05:52] But i do enjoy you being angry [03:06:04] therefore [03:06:14] Chogall: I'm not angry. [03:06:15] do you enjoy making me angry chogall? :( [03:06:16] Chogall: good! Angry is good! [03:06:22] the evidence has already been collected [03:06:23] Yes [03:06:27] yes it is [03:06:34]<**Hesam has joined #micronations**> [03:06:39] lol [03:06:39] The way is shut [03:06:44] Must you keep doing that? [03:06:48] which? [03:06:48] it was made by those who are dead [03:06:54] and the dead keep it [03:06:58] Evident schmevidence, we're about to issue an ultimatum anyway. [03:06:59] Chogall, good reference [03:07:01] please chogall :( [03:07:09] WHAT GOOD WILL IT DO? [03:07:12] IT WONT CHANGE [03:07:19] PEOPLE WILL MOAN LIKE PORNSTARS [03:07:20] Chogall: What won't change? [03:07:21] Under the spreading chestnut tree... [03:08:53] What does it mean when your dinner becomes an early breakfast? [03:09:04] It means its really late. [03:09:11] ScottA! Speak to us! [03:09:15] does malliki ever sleep? [03:09:18] SCOTTO [03:09:21] SKOTTO [03:09:23] sakat. [03:09:25] mm. [03:09:27] Ari: I can reference an instance when Scott has held a grudge. He continually refers to Babkha as the "Duchy of Babkha" since he's pissed off that I once annexed Shireroth to it. [03:09:46] R d r r [03:09:53] Hesam: But even I do that ): (if I don't, it's because Scott got there first) [03:10:01] What about that time when Bill rigged the Audente votes? It took him a long time to get over that. [03:10:09] Hesam: ... not to mention that Duchy of Babkha is a faaaar older joke than that [03:10:22] dude that was awesome [03:10:27] Or that one time I did... something... and he held a grudge on me for years about it. [03:10:31] Ari: The question isn't whether you hold a grudge, its whether Scott holds a grudge. And he only revived the joke because I actually accomplished it [03:10:33] ari: This just proves Hesam's drop in awesomeness [03:10:35] although I didn't really rig the votes [03:10:38] I just voted for other citizens [03:10:50] Yeah, but we didn't know that, and finding that out later didn't make it any better. [03:10:51] and made all the default choices that of my own party [03:11:00] Oh and bill [03:11:04] hi chogall [03:11:16] Oh well [03:11:23] I'm gonna post this in the analysis thread I suppose [03:11:28] ari: best example I can come up with right now [03:11:34] sorry man [03:12:05] Oh, I just remembered another one: [03:12:06] I'm gonna have dinner now. [03:12:06] LENG [03:12:11] 4.10 am [03:12:11] That's a hell of a grudge [03:12:40] pfft [03:12:42] I still have that [03:12:45] Malliki: Could this be the end of team Hesam-Malliki? [03:12:46] also [03:12:49] if scott was here [03:12:55] he has a chance tof ix that [03:13:26] also [03:13:30] my post in the scott thread is the best [03:14:15] also it's not just scott that has those types of grudges [03:14:17] I have them [03:14:20] harvey has them [03:14:22] uh [03:14:27] chris has them [03:14:37] Which reminds me [03:14:40] DOWN WITH LENG!!!!!!! [03:14:47] Blargle Hargle [03:14:50] Hesam: Team Hesam-Malliki survives anything. [03:14:55] ari [03:14:59] I need you to help me with that [03:15:04] I am not good at this diplomacy thing [03:15:08] I say I say I say I sit on you! [03:15:08] DOWN WITH LENG [03:15:11] you are super-nice and can convince people [03:15:13] Malliki: I love you man. Hesma-Malliki forever. [03:15:17] *hesam [03:15:26] could you help :D [03:15:30] Where could i contact this Hesma? [03:15:38] he seems like a competant fellow [03:15:38] wtf Hesma. Sounds like a sexy alter ego. [03:15:41] ;) [03:15:46] Oh [03:15:47] I see [03:15:50] Hello hesma [03:15:57] anyawy [03:16:02] Hello Chogall, how can I help you? [03:16:03] who wants to help fix the polar icecaps of micras? :D [03:16:12] Bill3000: My "convince people" power is based on, uh, arguments, and the good ones have largely been used already at the MCS thread, to deaf ears [03:16:28] I would like to voice my frustrations with this micronation [03:16:32] any way to convince ryan? [03:16:35] do it [03:16:39] I want to help fix it [03:16:46] It wont help [03:16:58] no [03:16:58] Chogall: go head [03:16:58] itll just serve to push me closer to going someplace else [03:16:58] I mean [03:16:58] well, let me know if I can help with anything [03:17:03] I want new people [03:17:32] Chogall, its okay if you feel you need to leave. [03:18:00] Its just [03:18:05] What the fuck do we do ever [03:18:07] Ever [03:18:15] I know [03:18:22] beats the crap out of me [03:18:23] Well, we conspire. [03:18:28] Enlighten me please [03:18:30] there's no point. Nothing ever gets done and the work you put in is ignored. [03:18:31] YOU conspire [03:18:31] That's going pretty well for me lately. [03:18:46] and also [03:18:48] it does nothing [03:18:53] cause it seems anything vaguely political whips up into a shit hurrican [03:18:58] a shurricane [03:19:02] its tiring [03:19:04] Only because ScottA won't tell me if he's posting the ultimatum tonight. :( [03:19:16] RP is bashed into oblivion [03:19:25] No one writes stuff [03:19:30] well [03:19:31] Wtf am i doing here? [03:19:35] I don't write stuff because i'm horrible at it [03:19:35] Please explain? [03:19:36] Scott and Ryan write stuff. [03:19:39] Ryan wrote stuff today! [03:19:40] i've always been [03:19:49] Chogall, you're wasting your time here, that's what you're doing [03:20:21] thats what it seems [03:20:22] Bill3000: you've always been bad, but there was a time when you wrote stuff anyway, and it's fun to look back on it. [03:20:22] FFFFFFFFFFFFFF [03:20:33] yeah [03:20:35] which is why I don't make it [03:20:41] it's pointless to make bad stuff [03:20:51] But i like to write fiction [03:20:58] And if it isnt believable [03:21:06] Chogall, there's better writing forums out there [03:21:07] i'm talking about myself [03:21:11] than why should that detract from anything [03:21:18] Many people would say that the act of creation is the enjoyment and the fact anyone else cares is merely secondary. [03:21:35] its not just creating, its the criticism [03:21:40] And its not just me [03:21:47] Well, that doesn't help. [03:21:48] you're just using that against me harvey [03:21:53] You guys harrased leo about his space weapons [03:22:06] I didn't harass him [03:22:08] We created other space weapons and had them fight! [03:22:22] dr-spangle was the one that wouldn't shut up about technical stuff. [03:22:23] Half the time i post stuff i get some snide remark from people [03:22:33] seriously [03:22:41] Why does this feel like an expansion to Neverwinter Night 2? [03:22:41] like [03:22:50] for that matter [03:22:57] or [03:22:58] *gtfos* [03:22:58] I don't know how to answer that question. [03:23:12] I've gotten more input for audente from people outside of micronations than inside where I just get yelled at for people for not caring [03:23:17] Are you people intent on driving us out? [03:23:18] hell [03:23:20] no [03:23:21] fuck that [03:23:23] I want you here [03:23:27] Well, Hesam might be. [03:23:32] Cause it sure seems that way [03:23:32] hesam is though [03:23:34] But he's just a smelly Babkhan so he can go rot. [03:23:36] and [03:23:37] Chogall, we're only wanted here as pawns in someones game [03:23:43] if this thing [03:23:52] makes you and others convinced to leave [03:23:55] I will never forgive harvbey [03:23:57] ever [03:23:58] Only the old guard get to create, the rest of us are merely expected to clap. [03:24:00] People bemoan the lack of new citizens [03:24:15] Hesam: Since when are you a citizen again? [03:24:17] but anything new [03:24:25] is rejected [03:24:26] Oh gee, Bill irrationally blaming me for some problem that I was the only one with the fucking common sense to see is a problem. [03:24:30] Shock and awe. [03:24:37] harvey [03:24:42] that pushes people slightly outside theyer comfort zone [03:24:44] if citizens leave due to this plan [03:24:45] BAWWW [03:24:50] IM LEAVING [03:24:51] its pointless [03:24:51] THIS SUCK [03:24:52] What, the Erik plan. [03:24:52] this will have solved nothing [03:24:57] He doesn't even know about that! [03:25:00] Chogall: We've had this discussion here for three days now or something. [03:25:02] Chogall, I don't blame you man [03:25:11] well he does now [03:25:21] Not... really... [03:25:48] Like what do you expect? [03:26:05] i want the nation to be less lame [03:26:07] they expect people to be fans of their genius [03:26:13] Is it some cultural thing that i dont understand [03:26:19] Bill3000: then do something that isn't lame. [03:26:27] that people are resistant to change anything at all [03:26:32] And not even change [03:26:35] yes [03:26:37] If it's "that easy" then get out of your stupid Audente county and go solve all the problems with the wave of your hand. [03:26:38] Anything new [03:26:47] seriously, they'll only petition you to stay when you threaten to leave. When you're not threatening that, no one cares [03:26:53] People have had this nice banter or whatever in Shireroth for quite some time. Now all of a sudden people start leaving in a huff and bitching about bullshit. [03:26:57] I thought it would be fun to explore what andreas had up his sleave [03:27:04] But he gets booed off the satge [03:27:08] What for? [03:27:10] RPing [03:27:15] such a crime [03:27:20] It was a crappy RP anyway. [03:27:30] Chogall: The problem was his attempt to include people that don't give a fuck. [03:27:31] You wouldn't have liked it. It was math based, and not in any of our favor. [03:27:31] Who are you to judge? [03:27:35] if you don't share the precise view of the plan, your thoughts are rejected [03:27:47] So what [03:27:51] The simple setting o [03:27:55] Look, no offense, but you could STILL get involved in it. If you're not, you're doing so under your own free will. [03:28:11] How so? [03:28:12] its a losing game man. there's no winning it. [03:28:13] Hes not here? [03:28:23] But you'd have to read the SCOWL rules, the Newfangled Charter of Magic, and God only knows how many other Gralus-based documents to even understand how to play. [03:28:32] If you'd like to do that, I can get you the links to help you along your way. [03:28:32] Chogall: GRALUS [03:28:35] [22:25:33] <@Harvey> If it's "that easy" then get out of your stupid Audente county and go solve all the problems with the wave of your hand. [03:28:35] Im beginning to believe what icebreaker said [03:28:38] jesus fucking christ [03:28:47] I didn't say that I could solve the problems by myself [03:28:49] "GET OUT WHILE YOUR ON TOP" [03:28:59] Chogall: Andreas is doing this in Gralus and basically included Shireroth to get more land. [03:29:11] Chogall, if you like writing, there's better places. Can't sore with the eagles and hoot with the owls man. [03:29:12] Chogall: Are you just ranting or do you actually want us to address the points your making? [03:29:27] What do you mean? [03:29:31]<**Hesam has joined #micronations**> [03:29:42] Andreas's thing isn't an RP. [03:29:44] Idc [03:29:51] It has story elements, but it's really more like a big strategy game. [03:30:02] Honestly [03:30:03] Hey Chogall! Let's play Monopoly right now! [03:30:06] I couldnt care less [03:30:08] I'll set it up for you. Come on, let's do it. [03:30:17] see? they don't care unless you threaten to leave [03:30:28] Oh, I get five times your starting money, and three hotels on any land I choose. But you can play too! [03:30:30] The thought of the setting gave me ideas to explore [03:30:36]<**Hesam has joined #micronations**> [03:30:50] honestly chogall [03:30:52] What setting? It's a no-name Dark Lord who's evil because he can be. [03:30:59] So [03:31:01] can't paint on someone elses canvass man. [03:31:01] You're a better writer than THAT. [03:31:09] I don't participate in RPs becaues I can't do them. I can't imagine myself as another person. [03:31:30] I had something planned out [03:31:39] Then go ahead and do it. [03:31:46] Despite all the noise, the capital city still got moved. [03:31:54] What's stopping you? What? [03:32:00] Chogall: You still can. Andreas just couldn't handle the fact that no one was interested. [03:32:02] Leo and Allot [03:32:06] Or do you just enjoy coming in and screaming at people? Cuz I admit that's pretty fun. [03:32:18] Which reminds me. Screw you Bill! [03:32:37] dude [03:32:37] get some skin [03:32:39] Chogall: In what way does Leo and Allot stop you? [03:32:41] Bah [03:32:43] being a pussy isn't virtuous [03:32:47] Nevermind [03:32:48] Leo and Allot? Bah to them. You're the duke. [03:32:53] that was to harvey [03:32:56] Ive said too much already [03:32:59] no [03:33:01] you havn't [03:33:03] No, i have [03:33:05] you haven't said anything [03:33:05] I mean [03:33:16] Oh believe me i have [03:33:17] you're more important than harvey [03:33:24] don't bother with it Chogall, its not worth your time [03:33:27] I seriously doubt that [03:33:36] Aww, thanks <3 [03:33:40]<**Hesam has joined #micronations**> [03:33:44] No, really, what do you *want*? [03:33:52] At this moment [03:34:00] For my fucking loot to drop [03:34:11] 27% chance [03:34:13] Does WoW have those shitty like 2% drop rates too? [03:34:14] because you're a new citizen, you reflect why people don't want to join shireroth, and why we need to fix that in order to stop alienating people in this fucking stupid cycle that happens over and over again, ruining many people's emotional lives like a fucking shithead [03:34:16] and it never does [03:34:18] Yes [03:34:18] Yeah screw that. [03:34:21] yes it does [03:34:26] FFXI put me through that shit for years. [03:34:31]<**Allot has joined #micronations**> [03:34:36] Allot! [03:34:37] hi allot [03:34:38] i love you [03:34:39] Oh hello there! [03:34:41] Win the big battle, kill the big enemy, get jack and shit. [03:34:41] Chogall, why not try another micronation? [03:34:51] this is an interesting change [03:34:55] I wouldnt know where to start [03:35:02] Antica [03:35:06] Evening Mr E [03:35:14] why is everyone so cheerful all of a sudden? who's being ostrasized? [03:35:24] because i'm afraid [03:35:25] Hesam is getting his ass kicked [03:35:30] I berzeked [03:35:31] So i see [03:35:33] Allot: can't we be in a good mood for once? :) [03:35:48] Sure Harvey. Just curious...and now suspicious [03:36:01] unlike harvey's constant obsession for more activity [03:36:02]<**Hesam has joined #micronations**> [03:36:04] Harvey: Should you ask Allot now? [03:36:06] that's not important [03:36:09] The suspicion is warranted, but it doesn't have anything to do with what's going on now. [03:36:25] What has Hesam done that so offends Malliki? [03:36:29] Wait, what did I need to ask Allot? [03:36:35]<**Hesam has joined #micronations**> [03:36:37] Harvey: Dunno [03:36:40] fuck off [03:36:40] the plot of yours [03:36:45] Allot: Trying to get Chogall to quit. [03:36:50] hesam is trying to convince you three to quit [03:36:51] Oh, it's mine now, is it? [03:36:59]<**Hesam has joined #micronations**> [03:37:07] Bill3000: He doesn't have to. We've already discussed it. [03:37:18] my opinion is just as valid as yours [03:37:23] Allot: What is your view of the whole thing? [03:37:30] Dude this is the internet [03:37:31] That... doesn't sound amazingly optomistic. [03:37:35]<**Hesam has joined #micronations**> [03:37:36] Opinions are fact here [03:37:39] this is precisely why people want to leave. [03:37:45] Stop with the damn kicking. Sooner or later someone will end up banning me. [03:37:50] Not that we've made a decision... but yeah he's not the first one to propose the idea [03:37:52]<**Hesam has joined #micronations**> [03:37:59] I know this. [03:38:04] ...which is why, again, I'm afraid. [03:38:10] Allot: Who has proposed it before? [03:38:10] You know what to say and not to say [03:38:11] and by the "whole thing", Malliki, i presume you mean the Shirithian Crisis of Insanity? [03:38:13] you speak [03:38:26] I like how Bill's pretending he gives a damn about other human beings. It's quaint, if unconvincing. [03:38:33] exactly [03:38:36] Allot: Kinda [03:38:39] Why so angry? [03:38:41] Hm [03:38:44] Jesus [03:38:45] Okay, fine, I'll just tell you two. [03:38:52] did Bill fuck your mother or something? [03:38:56] We want to replace Jonas with Erik as a Kaiser. [03:39:05] Oh i fucking knew that [03:39:07] Chogall: He couldn't. [03:39:07] haha that's make things better [03:39:10] a week ago [03:39:13] The plot thickens. [03:39:13] If you disagree with that, this is probably a pretty good time to say something about it. [03:39:18] Come on [03:39:21] <***allot strokes his beard***> [03:39:24] The writing was all over the wall [03:39:30] Allot: Do women have beards? [03:39:32] Is it now? [03:39:33] How could you not see this coming? [03:39:37] Yes [03:39:40] Well... how exactly is that going to fix anything [03:39:49] Every time harvey and scott are in chat together [03:39:52] It isn't going to fuck things up more I hope. [03:39:52] the only thing it would do is get a kaiser that would do stuff [03:39:57] The topic goes directly to [03:40:13] JONAS ARE BAD LEADER AND KAISER I WANT NEW ONE WHO WONT CHANGE FLAG [03:40:18] Considering I spent a lot of the evening trying to get each individual person not to hate the idea, I'm not sure how much writing was on the wall. [03:40:27] Chogall: That could be true if it was, but it isn't. [03:40:27] What? No, the flag thing won't be touched. [03:40:35] Why does everyone always jump to the flag thing? [03:40:42] i'd like to hear erik say exactly what he proposes to do to fix this shitstorm before I endorse him as Kaiser, because I certainly don't think another Tevye as Kaiser will help one bit. [03:40:47] Cause thats what sparked this hatred [03:40:50] Jonas is a bad leader and a bad Kaiser. [03:40:55] Shit Hurricane [03:41:00] Shurricane [03:41:07] It passed a storm [03:41:10] Allot: I admit I'm not entirely sure what it's going to fix. What I am fairly sure of is that Jonas doesn't have it in him to fix it himself. [03:41:11] ...but I really don't think that Erik would be the best replacement. [03:41:16] Or maybe Shmonsoon [03:41:22] Can't you people think through your plans? [03:41:23] Again, if you'd like to put forth another name, this is a fairly decent time. [03:41:38] there really honestly isn't a fix guys, I know I'm going to get kicked again, but I'm heading out anyway. Seriously, this whole community is based off of very very old rivalries that become more important than anything anyone else does. If you create anything that doesn't fit into the plan, its rejected. It really doesn't get any better. Honestly, no matter what's promised. [03:41:43] Scott seems willing to take the throne. Shyriath's name came up. Ardy. Mine, showing how far the barrel has emptied... [03:41:54] Thank you hesam [03:41:58] np [03:42:03] Hesam: basically true [03:42:08] Harvey: fair enough. I'm a little wary of Jonas. I would support Scott or you, Harvey. [03:42:11] i'm not part of any plan [03:42:17]<**Hesam has joined #micronations**> [03:42:21] ... you'd support me before Erik? [03:42:21] Malliki are you like four? [03:42:27] Yes [03:42:36] I'm not going to support harvey due to empirical evidence [03:42:37] Tsch... [03:42:40] Allot would support a lemming before erik [03:42:49] Sadly, that is accurate [03:42:51] dude why the hell did you not know that allot hates erik? [03:43:03] I don't support Bill as a human being, but it's more interesting that he'd rather see me on the throne than Erik. [03:43:04] Erik's whole perma-rebellion sort of made me lose all faith in him. [03:43:15] Fine. FINE FINE FINE. Scott can have it. [03:43:19] Allot: Would you support me? [03:43:24] ha [03:43:27] anyway, night [03:43:28] lol [03:43:31] good luck [03:43:32]<**Hesam quit #micronations " ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]" **> [03:43:32]<**Hesam quit #micronations " ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]" **> [03:43:32]<**Hesam quit #micronations " ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]" **> [03:43:32]<**Hesam quit #micronations " ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]" **> [03:43:32]<**Hesam quit #micronations " ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]" **> [03:43:32]<**Hesam quit #micronations " ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]" **> [03:43:32]<**Hesam quit #micronations " ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]" **> [03:43:32]<**Hesam quit #micronations " ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]" **> [03:43:32]<**Hesam quit #micronations " ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]" **> [03:43:32]<**Hesam quit #micronations " ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]" **> [03:43:32]<**Hesam quit #micronations " ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]" **> [03:43:32]<**Hesam quit #micronations " ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]" **> [03:43:34] Bye hesam [03:43:37] Dammit [03:43:38] oh well [03:43:39] I would support Anandja or Mike Fors. Not Malliki. [03:43:40] Too later [03:43:48] ah. [03:43:51] you don't like him being a dick [03:43:51] do you [03:43:53] Chogall: how do you feel about a Scott Kaiser? [03:43:59] Allot: Haha [03:44:00] Well [03:44:00] I think [03:44:11] Id have to meditate on that [03:44:18] Well I wouldn't be a dick as Kaiser if that's what you think. [03:44:21] Bill3000: I'm more confused than anything else, because I sort of liked him as Mike/Anandja [03:44:25] Chogall: Well, is there no burning hatred at least? [03:44:32] also you guys [03:44:35] I dont hate anyone [03:44:42] this doesn't have to be a secret old boys' club conspiracy thing [03:44:47] I hate the atmosphere that permeates the air [03:44:52] you can just come on #micronations and join stuff [03:44:53] Bill3000: I'm telling everyone that comes in! [03:44:58] This can be an all-inclusive conspiracy [03:45:00] this presence of Xenophobia [03:45:04] I don't hate you [03:45:09] I think thats the right phobia [03:45:16] I'd like to say that the only reason I came on here was because I got a PM from Ardashir screaming "QUICK THEY'RE GOING TO PUT ERIK ON THE THRONE AGAIN!" [03:45:26] rofl [03:45:26] AHah [03:45:29] Look, I can't change people and I can't change feelings and I can't change history, but what I can do is get enough people together that don't hate a Kaiser, support him best I can, and hope for the best. [03:45:31] I got that one too [03:45:32]<**Hesam has joined #micronations**> [03:45:39] i think you me and leo [03:45:48] Leto [03:45:51] So, what is Scott gonna do as Kaiser? [03:45:52] the New Elwynnese Club [03:46:01] Leo is officially not on shireroth [03:46:02] change shit [03:46:07] probably [03:46:08] Malliki: change the forum colors and some names, I would assume. [03:46:09] You know [03:46:10] well clearly no one has any idea how to fix this shurricane of poo [03:46:14] Bill3000: Cause that is really what we need more of. [03:46:19] yup [03:46:26] as seen before [03:46:28] er [03:46:30] well no [03:46:37] I guess you could sy it's "part of the plan" but eh... [03:46:51] I would, and did, say that, and he confirmed it. [03:47:10] and [03:47:18] chogall said something interesting a while back about the "real yardistanis" having gone. I remember that the decriminilization of rebellion was put into place because of yardistan. maybe if we re-criminilized rebellion it would do something? [03:47:26] I'm not sure a hippy Kaiseress could do anything about this. [03:47:32] Yes [03:47:35] well [03:47:41] just a thought [03:47:42] rebellion by itself is usually more of a joke than anything else [03:47:53] If you criminalized rebellion, they'd just skip to the leaving in a huff stage. [03:47:57] This wouldn't have changed whether or not rebellions were legal [03:48:02] Could I have Op please [03:48:04] Speaking of which [03:48:05] well...i'm not sure what exactly we can do to stop the "leaving in a huff" [03:48:11] Arent you in a huff harvey? [03:48:15] and clearly no one else does [03:48:24] Yeah, Harvey's part of the problem. [03:48:27] no [03:48:30] Ok [03:48:33] Seriously [03:48:41] Thanks Malliki [03:48:45] harvey just made an angry post which he clearly regrets since he's in this discussion. Right? [03:48:47] Whats with this animosity between Bill unt harvey? [03:48:59] animosity...good word, good word [03:49:00] essentially [03:49:06] Malliki: Knock Knock: [03:49:09] I stopped seeing him for a year or two [03:49:10] I got smarter [03:49:14] realized he was stupid [03:49:15] Hesam: Who's there? [03:49:17] thus hostility [03:49:24] not you [03:49:25]<**Malliki has joined #micronations**> [03:49:28] AHAHA [03:49:31] :D [03:49:31] hahaha [03:49:32] OH TEH SNAPS! [03:49:45] FTW [03:49:46] Hesam: Knock knock [03:49:49] I wish virtual high-fives existed [03:49:50] Okay, that was pretty awesome. [03:50:00] thanks [03:50:10] Allot: I'm leading the damn conspiracy! [03:50:17] someone topic that. [03:50:19] It's not like anyone else was gunna do it. [03:50:37] Hesam: Scared? [03:50:37] Ahaha [03:50:41] Bill do it right [03:50:41] not much of a conspiracy when everyone's involved [03:50:56] Allot: More like democracy. [03:50:59] haha [03:51:07] Well... at one point it was smaller... and Jonas still doesn't know the details, probably. [03:51:08] Malliki: took the words right outta my mouth [03:51:09] FLESH FROM BONE! [03:51:15] dude [03:51:16] poland [03:51:23] I am curious about this: has ANYONE talked to Jonas at ALL? [03:51:24] NOBLE DEMOCRACY [03:51:26] In any event, I've informed Scott via PM that he is our choice for the throne. [03:51:35]<**Chrimigules has joined #micronations**> [03:51:36] well it wouldn't be a conspiracy then would it allot [03:51:38] I WHAT? [03:51:43] Allot: yes. In the IAC, among other various threads. [03:51:43]<**Hesam quit #micronations " ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]" **> [03:51:48] Oh, hi Scott. [03:51:48] OK [03:51:54] You who now? [03:51:57] i just don't want him being backstabbed or anything [03:51:58] hi scott [03:52:03] you have been chosen by the people of shireroth [03:52:06] to lead the nation [03:52:11] Charles what now [03:52:24] still plotting? [03:52:32] i mean [03:52:38] wouldn't this be better if like [03:52:47] we could plot this publically and politically [03:52:48] Oy vey. What have I gotten myself into? [03:52:55] like if we were all nobles and voted together to rebel against the kaiser or something [03:53:00] eh guess not [03:53:01] A shurricane of political Shit [03:53:06] It would be better, but Shireroth doesn't have the infrastructure to really handle it without blood. [03:53:10] Shurricane = Shit Hurricane [03:53:13] No. What I mean is this. [03:53:15] ScottA: you can still use Malarbor if you want :D [03:53:19] yes [03:53:21] MALARBOR [03:53:23] ScottA: If you decree the forum colors I'm sure you'll have several rebellions to deal with. [03:53:27] No. [03:53:30] dammit. [03:53:31] Here's the plan, I think. [03:53:33] for another time. [03:53:43] ScottA: Now I know you're jewish! [03:53:44] If you say depose jonas im gone [03:53:45] I'll rule for a little while. Maybe a month or two. Erik will rejoin the country, one hopes. [03:53:54] Then after a while I'll give it to Erik nice and properly. [03:54:01] He can rule for the 10 year anniversary. [03:54:22] Allot skype it [03:54:24] Nao [03:54:28] CAN I JOIN [03:54:30] And he can be kaiser Malarbor I if he wants. [03:54:31] Chogall: Isn't that what you dislike people doing? Leaving when they don't get their way? [03:54:38] Sigh, silly short Scott reigns... [03:54:42] Well, I take what I can get. [03:54:43] No but ive heard enough of [03:54:50] LETS DEPOSE KAISER NYARG [03:54:50] But scottA: how to stop this "leaving" tomfoolery? [03:54:55] Wait, we're not deposing Jonas? [03:54:57] Chogall: So you basically think that Jonas is a good Kaiser? [03:55:00] I thought we were. [03:55:04] Like hell we're not! [03:55:16] "deposing" is rather the wrong word [03:55:19] he has to agree [03:55:21] like nixon [03:55:28] allot's right [03:55:31] Allot: Either that or we force him out. [03:55:33] Look, this is the line in the sand. If I can't please everyone, it's gunna be about this. [03:55:47] he'll agree [03:55:53] So you can either stay and have an influence on how it all goes down, or you can leave and not. [03:55:55] you think? [03:55:56] Okay, Chogall, how do you want to do this? [03:55:56] it looks REALLY bad if we depose a kaiser [03:56:03] I dont [03:56:05] allot [03:56:10] did you look at the thing I saw about poland [03:56:12] er [03:56:13] I gave you [03:56:15] How bout we relax [03:56:26] Maybe smoke a little if you need to? [03:56:33] Wait for him to abdicate [03:56:41] Yeah, no. [03:56:43] then discuss what was wrong [03:56:51] He's barely hit the half way point in his normal three months. [03:56:52] Jonas will take forever to abdicate. [03:57:02] You said you didn't like how Shireroth was now? How about it gettin' worse? [03:57:15] How about asking Jonas nicely to abdicate? [03:57:24] ScottA: That is plan A [03:57:26] Would that be good? [03:57:32] I know, I'm talking to Chogall. [03:57:32] Yes, it would be. [03:58:08] ...I am just wondering if there were ways to vent our frustrations using government instruments of debate or something that stuff wouldn't be as personal and people wouldn't have to leave in a huff. [03:58:15] OK, but the timeframe isn't really important here. There is vital problem. Let us fix the vital problem and sort out the rulers later. [03:58:19] ...I guess that would mean democracy, though. [03:58:28] I think you people are a little too soon to judge [03:58:34] The vital problem being? [03:58:38] Yes, Bill300. Exactly what you just said. And I thought you and Ardy were just chilling around [03:58:42] Allot: The problem is that with our system, the leader is the most important figure. [03:58:45] wait [03:58:47] hm [03:58:52] hey cool [03:58:57] well [03:59:01] Chogall: Are you seeing signs of his Kaisership improving? [03:59:02] even when it comes to deposing [03:59:16] Harvey: "WAAAAAAAAH REBELLION LEAVING" [03:59:17] Im not seeing the signs of death [03:59:21] we could just offically petition a kaiser to say abdicate [03:59:26] Like you all are seeing [03:59:27] ah [03:59:30] your problem isn't rebelliopn itself [03:59:34] Chogall: He does nothing. [03:59:34] it's the whiny ones [03:59:43] like erik [03:59:43] What did you do as kaiser? [03:59:46] You expect to fix a problem like that before we replace Jonas as a Kaiser? [03:59:50] that isn't always what rebellions are actually but eh [03:59:53] Other than assrape jess [03:59:55] Malliki: I'm not advocating for Jonas as Kaiser, but changing the Kaiser isn't going to help unless we have a plan. [04:00:02] Chogall: Don't compare me to Jonas. [04:00:12] Well what did you do [04:00:27] Oh the dutch are very similar to the swedes [04:00:28] He didn't get overthrown, for one. [04:00:31] I was active for one thing. [04:00:32] Okay, here's my plan. First of all, I get Andreas and Harvey back. Harvey will be easy, and I think I can convince Andreas. Then I appoint Erik as Steward, hopefully getting him back. [04:00:42] I think that you are very similar [04:00:55] i'm in no way similar to them [04:00:55] I already said that I'd return after Jonas left the throne and immediately start on Project Awesome. [04:01:04] Then I make a proclamation saying that if the Landsraad officially objects to something I do, I'll listen to them. [04:01:09] Chogall: I did not have half the country planning to overthrow me. [04:01:19] HUSH. I'm listening to scott's plan. [04:01:29] It won't be democracy because it's got no legal force besides my own good word, but it'll be enough that people won't feel the need to rebel all the time. [04:01:33] because you made an example of what happens to people who try that [04:01:37] uh [04:01:39] Hencefor exhibit a [04:01:42] Assraped jess [04:01:45] the problem with that scott [04:01:53] is that the landsraad is a collection of inactive dukes [04:01:54] I'm skeptical of that reasoning, but go on. [04:01:56] Chogall: You don't seem to remember why I did what I did to Jess. [04:02:07] I'll start work on a new color scheme, but it will be an option for people who want it, not the default. Later I will want it as the default, but I'm not gonna push that until the country is stronger. [04:02:33] I want to strengthen the Landsraad, though I'm not sure exactly how yet. [04:02:44] POLAND [04:02:48] Bill3000: I think that's easy to fix. Appoint new dukes [04:02:54] ScottA: I might have some ideas there. [04:03:03] Then I'll listen to Malliki. [04:03:15] yeah [04:03:17] I'll make Malliki Arbiter if he accepts the job, and Bill would make a good MiniImNat if he's up for it. [04:03:20] kildare and brookshire might need new dukes? [04:03:27] Bah [04:03:28] Yep [04:03:33] And solve the Goldshire crisis [04:03:35] ScottA: I would. [04:03:48] Goldshire's getting decreed into Musica no matter what. [04:03:56] I wanted ImNat. I actually did a good job with that one back in the day. [04:03:57] good plan [04:04:05] Chogall: We have been without an Arbiter since Erik went on LOA. [04:04:12] Harvey: Well, I'll take that into consideration. [04:04:12] WHAT [04:04:13] THE [04:04:13] FUCK [04:04:15] DOES [04:04:15] TJHE [04:04:17] And I informed Jonas about that on Monday. [04:04:17] ARBITER [04:04:18] DO [04:04:23] judge stuff [04:04:23] he protects the charter [04:04:27] OH NO [04:04:29] THE CHARTER [04:04:30] He tells you not to flood. [04:04:32] the kaiser can't edit the charter without the arbiter's permission [04:04:33] he mallikizes the country [04:04:35] Chogall: Perhaps you should read it. [04:04:40] PROTECT THE DOCMENT! [04:04:49] Uh, I think we broke him... [04:04:50] It's our constitution. [04:04:54] I'd like to DiploCorps the heck out of the WikiNations, though I'll need Ari's help with that one. [04:04:56] Quit 'yer trollin' [04:05:05] WikiNations? [04:05:12] another sector [04:05:14] And that's the best I can do at 4 AM. [04:05:17] ScottA: I say 'meh' to that, but I won't object. [04:05:18] consisted entirely on microwiki [04:05:27] Tsch Wikinations. Though Hesam, for some reason, feels the OAM is important. [04:05:31] But right now I wanna talk to Chogall about Jonas. I don't want to do this unless we're all on the same page. [04:05:40] mostly egonations but they're new citizens [04:05:42] er [04:05:42] What about jonas? [04:05:45] new micronationalists [04:05:46] I wonder now why as MiniEx I know nothing about this... [04:05:57] ah [04:06:00] Clearly I fail @ life [04:06:08] did you read the leaving kanto thread [04:06:13] Allot: we have no official contact. I suppose someone should have passed it on, but I've been bitter. [04:06:14] About whether we get him to abdicate or not. I don't want to do an Erik style rebellion. If we do this, it had better be everyone, acting together, in such a way that he can't help but go and leave. [04:06:17] Allot: Or your boss doesn't like to inform you of stuff. or keep himself informed. [04:06:21] http://shireroth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=100&t=12726 [04:06:31] I think thats stupid [04:06:41] in the future [04:06:48] Malliki: do you know how many PMs I've sent saying "NEXT TIME YOU WANT TO ANNEX SOMEONE FUCKING TELL ME FIRST!!!" [04:06:49] I think there should be a method to remove the kaiser through a petition [04:06:54] Also, I want to do something about all our secret forums. We have too many places for secret stuff, and too many people aren't allowed in places they really should be. [04:07:02] Allot: How many did he ignore? [04:07:12] Allot: oh, that pisses you off too?! [04:07:18] ScottA: Don't we have like two? [04:07:20] oh yeah [04:07:23] that was what got the ball rolling [04:07:26] I wouldn't have left Goldshire if they hadn't threatened to put Kanto in there with me... [04:07:38] Fort Foley, IAC, and SEP, but important people like Allot and Cho'Gall aren't in any of them. [04:07:45] No aryz is a good enough deterrent [04:07:51] I'm not in anything :( [04:07:57] Chogall: God, I know, right? [04:08:00] ScottA: Ah. Forgot about Fort Foley. [04:08:06] <@ScottA> Bill3000: AND YOU NEVER WILL [04:08:15] I'm not in the Fort [04:08:23] Fort Foley is open to every duke and minister [04:08:28] how bout opening up the IAC for all, but having just a few people as official advisors? [04:08:41] oo [04:08:46] Well I was a duke and never saw it... [04:08:49] I don't like the IAC. I'm not going to get rid of it, because it's traditional, but I'm sure not using it myself. [04:08:53] hm [04:09:06] ScottA: Okies. You don't have to. [04:09:10] Back on topic. How are we going to deal with Leto? [04:09:21] #micronations is more conspiratorial than IAC ever was. [04:09:22] We can sign a petition [04:09:23] Send him a PM. Let him leave with dignity. [04:09:25] Ask him if he intends to do anything [04:09:29] or a pm [04:09:33] Chogall: we've asked him. [04:09:34] Chogall: I did, in the IAC. [04:09:35] Or does he intend to squat [04:09:36] And to use the shittiest metaphor ever: like Nixon. [04:09:39] He said he doesn't have any specific plans. [04:09:44] Let me get you the thread. [04:09:45] Look, I know this shocks you, but we didn't just jump straight to the BOOT HIM OUT phase here. [04:09:56] i'm aware [04:09:57] We've gotten nothing but evasive and weird answers for weeks. [04:10:13] "Projects, you mean? I don't have any projects on the long run, but I'm hoping to get Shirekeep developed and with Maksym no longer interested in drawing a map, I will have to do it myself. Harvey, I don't make any promises because I don't know if I can reach them. Give me an idea, and I will try to work on it." [04:10:22] " No, it looks like I'm not thinking about anything. Like so many Kaisers didn't really thought about what they did. And you can say what you want, but activity was still very high in January." [04:10:40] Yeah, I liked the part where he told me to tell him what projects to do as Kaiser. [04:10:50] There's a man with rare vision. [04:11:03] I'm still not sure I'm at the boot him out phase yet, but I am definitely at the "ask politely" phase. [04:11:15] However, I don't want to do it myself. I can't ask him to leave AND ask him to name me his successor. [04:11:26] I'm willing to discuss other phases, if any, if that fails. [04:11:31] Who here hasn't totally alienated Jonas yet? [04:11:37] GOLDEN LIBERTY [04:11:39] <***allot raises hand***> [04:11:43] Bill hasn't! [04:11:50] me but i'm a horrible person to do it [04:11:51] Let's put the fate of the country in BILLS HANDS! [04:11:56] I screamed at him [04:12:02] over youtube link [04:12:08] No, Allot is probably the best choice. [04:12:10] Im not sure he got the picture though [04:12:11] Allot could work. [04:12:19] I vote for Allot [04:12:21] Or maybe we should wait for Ari, he's got that special Ari cred. [04:12:32] Ari shouldn't have to do everything [04:12:34] DUDE WE COULD TOTALLY LIKE BECOME A NOBLE REPUBLIC SHIT AND BE ALL POLISH AND LIBERUM VETO AND SHIT AAAAAAA [04:12:36] eh. [04:12:38] hm. [04:12:41] Grog impatient. No want wait. [04:12:48] Also, what Malliki said. [04:12:53] grog er faise [04:12:54] What's with the whole Polish thing, Bill3000? [04:12:58] All right. Allot? You up for it? [04:13:08] To tell Jonas that he's getting the boot? [04:13:11] No! [04:13:15] To ask him politely to get the boot! [04:13:21] ... [04:13:22] Quite. [04:13:26] The shape of italy [04:13:26] OK [04:13:28] Allot, I found out that in the Polish-Lithanian Commonwealth, there really was a nobility right to rebel against the king. [04:13:31] Maybe we should all write it together. [04:13:46] "Dear Jonas, u suck, GTFO kthx. Signed, Shireroth." [04:13:56] Eh eh??? [04:13:57] Signed [04:14:04] Everyone you ever knew [04:14:05] I vote for Harvey's [04:14:06] srrs [04:14:11] we hates you [04:14:11] Should we get Ryan in on this? [04:14:18] die in a fire and stuff [04:14:19] ScottA: Try [04:14:20] Sure, why the hell not... [04:14:22] I just don't like that some of the country is plotting without the rest of the country. [04:14:23] ...then I realized that it really was a noble's republic/democracy, so I was wondering if, in order to have actually more formal politics in some way, in order to help remove bad blood, we could take government instrumental ideas from the PLC in order to seperate the politics from the person. [04:14:28] Ryan can die in a fire [04:14:40] Hey, they could all be here. We can't force people to plot. [04:14:54] I mean [04:15:04] the lack of organized groups is lame [04:15:08] which is why I unbanned them [04:15:12] although no one used them [04:15:16] and people just rebanned them again [04:15:17] Let's wait a day or two to get Ryan on board, finish up the flag stuff, consult Ari, etc. [04:15:17] you guys suck [04:15:27] Gagugh [04:15:29] Why! [04:15:34] Also, I want to talk to Erik. [04:15:37] Because we should do this right. [04:15:37] No, look. This is how good ideas die. [04:15:47] This has the potential to cause a lot more division. [04:15:53] no, harvey [04:15:57] good ideas die by people giving up on them [04:16:03] "Hey Scott, when are you going to bring back Straylight?" "Oh, soon soon, I just have to learn Portuguese." [04:16:06] ScottA: Erik would cause more division. I'm with Harvey kinda. [04:16:11] I don't want Jonas getting angry and digging in, and I don't want Ryan and Llai and Co to get angry. [04:16:12] but eh. [04:16:24] Yeah, um, no matter how we cut it Erik's not going to like us switching our candidate. [04:16:24] Did Erik get consulted on the "Make Erik Kaiser" plan? [04:16:34] I already said yes... [04:16:39] Scorch. [04:16:43] Then I want to talk to Erik. [04:16:50] Hmmm [04:16:56] Im considering voting nay [04:16:57] To what end, exactly? [04:17:01] This isn't going to go great no matter what, but I want to at least give it a try. [04:17:03] to tie up the flag debate [04:17:04] wat [04:17:09] asdfghjkl./ [04:17:17] To make him feel like we're not totally springing some horrible change on him out of the blue, but consulting him first and so on. [04:17:20] please, chogall :( [04:17:26] *tried to bring back Goldshire [04:17:26] *fixed the honors system [04:17:26] *created the Imperial County [04:17:26] *did not have half the country rebelling against her [04:17:26] *was generally active [04:17:26] Chogall: Anandja Is track record: [04:17:26] *created the Imperial Inquisition [04:17:26] *supported the selling of JASO [04:17:26] *introduced the Swan award for activity [04:17:26] *appointed people to various positions IN TIME [04:17:27] *Cleaned up the DecreeBook (a bit) [04:17:34] Chogall's Nay would make it tied, right? [04:17:37] cool story bro [04:17:43] yup [04:17:45] It would [04:17:49] I did nothing. [04:18:01] Ain't it sad that "was generally active" counts as a freaking accomplishment these days? [04:18:02] And further plunge this country into anarchy and huff walks [04:18:17] I thought you didn't want that [04:18:23] Yes but [04:18:29] I agree with Scott. Wait a few days, talk to EVERYONE/ [04:18:30] Harvey: Should be. I made like 500 posts as Anandja. [04:18:36] i also like the suffering [04:18:39] icebreaker made 9 as Erasmas. [04:18:40] anyway [04:18:41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Liberty [04:18:41] Aggg, this is nightmarish. [04:18:44] random idea of the day [04:18:48] otherwise there'll just be more huff-walking, as Chogall puts it [04:18:53] "Get people involved," I said to myself. "It'll help. Don't just act now." [04:18:58] SHIT YEAH I DID [04:19:05] hi icebreaker [04:19:10] The more people you add into things [04:19:14] Tell you what. Sunday night. If we don't have everything settled by Sunday night, we'll forget the settling and go full speed ahead anyway. [04:19:19] the less efficient it becomes [04:19:34] it's not "settling", it's making sure you don't fuck something up [04:19:37] It may even be that after talking to Erik, I change my mind about things. [04:19:50] ScottA: You better not pussy out. [04:19:55] Yeah, see, another big problem there. [04:20:01] Don't think I didn't think of that before you said it. [04:20:01] I just dont want erik on the throne [04:20:12] Well you might get him. [04:20:14] and neither does allot [04:20:30] ScottA: Erik has no plan for Shireroth, except perhaps "edit the Charter a bit" [04:20:47] ScottA: I liked your plan... [04:21:04] Malliki, can you talk to Ric? [04:21:06] God help me, I agree totally with Malliki [04:21:11] well, no, he had other stuff like "declare himself kaiser permanently and leave the nation's wellbeing to stewards" but I don't know if he changed his mind on that. [04:21:16] Scott or Bust! [04:21:20] This is such a classic Apollo conspiracy, though with a lot more waiting steps. [04:21:21] SCOTT OR BUST [04:21:29] BOO ERIK YAY BEER [04:21:35] SCOTT OR ERIK!!!... I mean bust! Bust, yeah! [04:21:36] I HEREBY DECLARE ALLOT AND CHOGALL TO BE APOLLONIANS [04:21:44] HAY [04:21:45] ScottA: Yes. [04:21:46] FUCK OFF [04:21:48] I DON'T CARE IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS [04:21:49] HOORAY FOR REFERENCES WE NEWBIES DON'T GET! [04:22:06] <***scotta sees a sudden flash of golden light, and Allot and Chogall suddenly stand confused, unaware of the gravity of what has just happened.***> [04:22:06] YOU NEVER READ MICROSCOPE [04:22:08] MY CAT IS OFFICIALLY ALSO PART OF THIS CONSPIRACY [04:22:22] scott [04:22:22] THE CAT DID IT [04:22:24] link to microscope [04:22:36] Shouldn't we all be Apollonians in a sense? [04:22:37] NO I DID NOT READ SCOTT'S TOME, HOWEVER ENTHRALLING IT MIGHT BE [04:22:51] Malliki: yes, but don't tell Erik. [04:22:53] Try http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=3&ved=0CA0QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fshireroth.org%2FStuff%2FMicroscope.doc&ei=U-5sS7aILM6_-QbsjOiGBA&usg=AFQjCNExFqOYiFzulo9PvdaQ-01v5fLa1g&sig2=aa3jBXew3kdmH9Dquz2jFw [04:23:01] Harvey: I'll try not to. [04:23:02] Erm, make that shireroth.org/Stuff/Microscope.doc [04:23:26] i shall read it later, in french class [04:23:37] ScottA: Make it a link. Can't be bothered... [04:23:42] oh and he will [04:24:13] WTF SCOTT! whyd you take the throne from me!!! [04:24:25] do u know how long ive been waiting for that [04:24:28] bad taste, harvey old chap [04:24:34] Oh I can't be bothered with this... [04:24:45] (look, it's basically what's going to happen anyway, so I'm trying to skip that step) [04:24:49] (plus it's true) [04:24:49] HOES! [04:24:58] you all suck dick [04:24:58] OH NO [04:24:59] now stfu [04:25:09] Who is who! [04:25:11]<**Malliki quit #micronations "" **> [04:25:11]<**Malliki quit #micronations "" **> [04:25:12] don't even bother. the hobby is dying anyway [04:25:16] THIS IS TOO CONFUSING [04:25:16] I CANT TELL ANYMORE [04:25:21] MY EYES [04:25:22] MWAHAHAHA [04:25:33] Well done, Malliki. [04:25:43] EVERYONE SWITCH BACK RIGHT NOW! MALARBOR DEMANDS IT! [04:25:52] No [04:25:57] MALARBOR IS A HOE! [04:26:12]<**Jess has joined #micronations**> [04:26:15] <***scotta comes back from writing a PM to Ryan and honestly believed that bit about eric_mortis for a second.***> [04:26:24] ALLOTS A HOE [04:26:26] SEE!!! [04:26:26] :D [04:26:38] Did I ban Bill or something? [04:26:38] YOU GUYS SUCK I QUIT [04:26:45] <***jess leaves for a second***> [04:26:50] <***jess comes back***> [04:26:53]<**Bill3000 has joined #micronations**> [04:26:55] go fuck yourself with a tire iron [04:27:03] o_O [04:27:05] hahahahaha [04:27:10] Bill3000: Hahaha I ghosted you. [04:27:17] Me and Cho'Gall are laughing hysterically [04:27:40] also allot [04:27:45] This is basically how switching day started, except we all switched to Scott. [04:27:47] Bill3000: Were you kicked or banned? [04:27:47] have you ever heard of the OBC before you used that term [04:28:00] booted out of the server [04:28:04] Bill3000: yes [04:28:12] I have great plans to fix everything, but I think I'll allow myself to be talked out of them so that they don't happen after all. [04:28:17] Scott thought I was one of them masquerading as a newbie on day 1 [04:28:44] I wear a spiral necklace you know. In public. [04:28:50] I want to change everything at the same time [04:29:02] OVER NINE THOOOOOOUSAND! [04:29:02] we're a totem pole [04:29:07] scotts [04:29:07] It reminds me of my commitment to never use a public restroom. [04:29:16] I BLOW [04:29:40] Scott: What do you think about this whole issue? [04:29:42] my first PM from Scott: Okay, you seem officially cool. I still think you're probably secretly someone else who's using this login as a disguise, because no one's ever learned the ropes of Shireroth as quickly as you have. [04:29:42] I BLOW HARDAR [04:29:44] I approve of this. Everyone should be exactly like me, because I am the only logical one here. [04:30:02] Myes [04:30:09] Quite indeed [04:30:32] anyway [04:30:35] allot and chogall [04:30:36] Micronationalism should look and be like I want it to be because I want to be able to show this hobby to my friends. [04:30:39] you should read microscope [04:30:52] it's pretty kickass [04:30:56] also I have no clue what happened since then [04:30:57] I'm going to change Shireroth into my idea micronation, which involves buildings made out of ice and flying cows. [04:30:59] Im scott and i approve this message [04:31:25] Will Shireroth find a way to keep new citizens, rather than just letting people outside its inner circle do their own thing and eventually wander off? If it solves this problem, it has every possibility of going up into the stratosphere and becoming huge; if not, it will remain where it has remained ever since the Mango-Camel Pact. [04:31:35] DON'T FORGET THE BLOWING [04:31:36] ASdefrgthtfrdsadfergthnm hgfrdsazdfghnm [04:31:37] asqWDEFGBN NBGFDSA [04:31:41] <***scotta comes back from other stuff***> [04:31:44] ffs [04:31:45] Wow, this sure brings back memories. [04:31:55] My county will from now on be named Hyperboring. [04:32:00] THIS WAS MADE WHEN [04:32:06] ScottA: <3 [04:32:06] A GOOD JOKE FROM HIM [04:32:12] AH AH [04:32:32] 2006 [04:32:34] SAME FUCKING PROBLEM [04:32:53] Hey, if you're going to make fun of me, do it in the official Ari-approved thread! [04:32:56] FLESH FROM BONE! [04:32:59] <***malliki does not want people doing that to me...***> [04:33:14] That was a very un-Ari thing to do [04:33:17] I was shocked [04:33:33] ILL PAINT MY FACE WITH YOUR BLOOOD! [04:33:38] Allot: it's some sort of trap [04:33:48] Ingvar_The_Plunderer: And now in Swedish plz [04:33:54] malliki [04:33:56] did you read microscope? [04:34:01] Okay, so...Ryan...Ric...anyone else we need to take care of (besides Erik who I wanna talk to on AIM) [04:34:04] no. can't be bothered... [04:34:05] JAR BAR SVAR GVAR DYAR GWARDIHARHAR! [04:34:15] Jag ska måla mitt ansikte med ditt blod [04:34:21] I'd argue that "need" is too strong of a word here... [04:34:27] Ingvar_The_Plunderer: Sounds kinda lame in Swedish. [04:34:31] semantics [04:34:38] Det låter bättre om du skriker det [04:34:41] Despite this small victory, the United Demesos was suffering from severe internal problems by this point. New citizen Erik Metzler had beaten out Apolyton vet Clifford Smith for the vice-presidency, and when president Bill Dusch had to leave for a few weeks for personal reasons, Erik reformed many of his sillier policies [04:34:46] Ingvar_The_Plunderer: Sant [04:34:52] va? [04:34:58] merde [04:34:59] Bill, returning, got angry at Erik, provoking a near-war between the two. This culminated in the infamous “genocide” incident. The UD had always been much more simulationist than the mainstream, and Bill ordered the massacre of all simulated GAPR supporters in the country in retaliation for GAPR propaganda against UD and Bill personally. [04:35:00] Erik accused him of genocide, and eventually left the nation, leaving Bill more or less alone there. [04:35:01] wait [04:35:03] I seriously did that? [04:35:04] wtf [04:35:10] I completely forgot that [04:35:11] I liked this conspiracy when I had more control of it. [04:35:20] Oh well, at least I'll be able to say that I overthrew a Kaiser. [04:35:33] So what have we learnt [04:35:44] What are we doing aboot this political Shurricane? [04:35:47] That Scott delays stuff a lot? [04:35:55] Also, that it's freakin' cold outside. [04:35:56] lwaaw [04:35:58] lesse [04:36:01] Chogall: Making sure that Scott replaces Jonas. [04:36:03] honestly [04:36:07] ses personnes sont ridicules avec leurs nations fausses et leurs plans qui n'ont aucune chance a fonctionner. Si il y a quelqu'un qui parle francais ici, je ne croit pas ce que j'ecris, et je suis fou. Mais MERDE. [04:36:09] scott replaces jonas [04:36:13] then AAH FRENCH [04:36:14] Chogall: Today and tomorrow we're talking to people so bridges don't get burnt. After that, Allot and the Imperial Advisors will politely ask Jonas to leave. [04:36:22] Chogall: Did you read my list of what I did as Anandja? [04:36:31] scott [04:36:34] Bill3000: Scott is going to become French? [04:36:42] Bill? [04:36:50] nope [04:36:53] ScottA: Exacetement [04:36:54] Harvey? [04:36:55] You sucked as a kaiser [04:36:58] Cause you suck [04:37:01] he he he [04:37:03] do you care at all for my idea for somehow institutionalizing politics such that we can depersonalize debates in order to reduce political shitstorms in the future [04:37:06] Chogall: You suck [04:37:10] Nope [04:37:14] I think that you [04:37:18] Chogall: Ferme ta guele. Malliki peut te tuer avec son doigt. [04:37:19] Bill: In principle, it sounds okay, but it'd all depend on the specifics. [04:37:30] Chogall: You suck Chrimigules? [04:37:32] I'm not sure *how* exactly, but I really think this informal politics is bad for the nation. [04:37:37] I do? [04:37:40] And I think it's at the root of the problem of why people leave in a huff. [04:37:41] Je sais ca, mais il est dans la sweden [04:37:53] I agree, but I can't imagine how to formalize it without making things worse and destroying Shireroth. [04:37:59] Malliki: sup? [04:38:00] Caulisse [04:38:08] what do you think, allot? [04:38:09] Collesse [04:38:09] Plus I'm going to be REALLY conservative because of the whole "not stepping on toes" thing. [04:38:10] Harvey: meh [04:38:15] How come when I talk everything is fine, but when he talks it's going to destroy Shireroth... [04:38:18] Allot: la Suède [04:38:32] Chogall, Bill3000 me demande mon opinion? C'est chic n'est-ce pas? [04:38:49] quit the frog talk [04:38:52] SPEAK ENGLISH [04:39:02] Isti tabarnake de collesse [04:39:05] Ari said that speaking a foreign language is a bannable offence. [04:39:11] ET on ferme la paranthese. Bill3000, that's why I'm so adamant to get EVERYONE's approval on this [04:39:20] speaking a foreign language in general, or a foreign language here? [04:39:27] That way no one can say HEY I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT [04:39:30] Chrimigules: Here I believe [04:39:33] ah [04:39:35] that makes more sense [04:39:38] How does no one have a basic understanding of french? [04:39:44] because it sucks [04:39:46] because we're american [04:39:53] Chogall: We are not Canadian. [04:40:01] Therefore I support scott's proposal [04:40:04] Shireroth is the most democractic Imperial Republic ever! [04:40:05] actually I took it but completely forgot it [04:40:15] I keep on telling you harvey [04:40:15] poland [04:40:18] I took it for 4½ years [04:40:18] we forgot poland [04:40:26] You do realize this whole thing totally negates the whole "no democracy in Shireroth" thing right? [04:40:29] Harvey, what happened to that Diplomacy game of yours? [04:40:34] I support scott as long as it is his burden to bear [04:40:41] You have my sword [04:40:45] Harvey: You know what I've been saying about that for like one year now. [04:40:45] ScottA: not enough players. I'm still willing to host. [04:40:52] Le seigneur des anneaux ne marche pas en francais [04:40:55] Do you have five, harv [04:41:01] Chrimigules: Lame Fag of the Rings reference Y/N [04:41:02] Someone follow my lead [04:41:02] I RESORT TO BABELFISH [04:41:08] We're not playing some stupid variant. [04:41:12] Y to it being one [04:41:14] Chogall: and my bow [04:41:15] or Y to approving it [04:41:17] dude it's not lame [04:41:20] it's just no germany and italy [04:41:30] And my...wait who the FUCK TOOK MY AXE. [04:41:39] Allot: I did [04:41:40] Bill3000: Changes everything! [04:41:43] WHEN ARE WE GOING TO PLAY THAT FUCKING GAME [04:41:47] Quit with the Fag of the Rings references [04:41:48] SERIOUSLY [04:41:53] La suede sa prende ton axe [04:41:55] FIND MORE PLAYERS [04:41:57] Malliki commence a m'enerver encore [04:41:59] Chogall: Oui [04:41:59] I DID [04:42:03] fag of the rings? XD [04:42:06] I HOUNDED MAX TO PLAY ITALY [04:42:09] FIND MORER PLAYERS [04:42:11] HOW MANY MORE DO WE NEED [04:42:14] Dont call it fag you cunt muscle [04:42:14] Allot: oh noes [04:42:19] We can definately count Leo out. [04:42:23] I could play if I had to. And Ari and Icebreaker should be good. [04:42:27] OH WAIT [04:42:34] PErhaps you cant [04:42:39] ScottA: they didn't want to. [04:42:41] I think we're only lacking an Austria. [04:42:52] ONE MORE THEN [04:42:57] I'll be Austria, then. [04:43:01] YESH [04:43:06] So this conversation has devolved from high political conversation to "cunt muscle" and "fag of the rings" [04:43:09] Chogall: Stop being a fag and join the Diplomacy game [04:43:13] Umm [04:43:14] No [04:43:15] I wont [04:43:20] malliki [04:43:21] less 4channy [04:43:22] please [04:43:26] he like being one, Malliki [04:43:26] You suck a frogs nut sack [04:43:26] Wait, has anyone told Shyriath about the Jonas plot? [04:43:32] As in find one [04:43:36] nope [04:43:36] oh [04:43:36] and then suck upon it [04:43:40] and ill play [04:43:40] Can I just lie and say yes? [04:43:48] Bill3000: In what way is this 5channy? [04:43:51] *4channy [04:43:51] Okay, I'll PM him. [04:44:01] <***harvey is going to gnaw off his damn arm.***> [04:44:04] Creme de merde avec shit sauce and a tossed salad [04:44:12] Wait, did anyone tell CJ Miller?!?! [04:44:15] Chogall: You're the one with the French, you frogleg sucker. [04:44:17] Holy crap, send a PM! [04:44:17] Nope [04:44:23] but its Quebecois [04:44:24] Harvey: He needs to be included. [04:44:26] No thats allot [04:44:34] Allot is the one speaking france french [04:44:49] Im the one butchering the language with french canadian french [04:44:50] TFS is our school, we're so cool, we're so cool, TFS is our school , I LOVE TFS [04:44:50] And Bjorn! He does website work for Shireroth. He's practically the Kaiser! [04:44:57] Whore bisvut [04:44:58] French is a sign of faggotry anyway [04:45:03] Nope [04:45:05] Swedish is [04:45:09] So is arabic [04:45:14] Harvey: That is true. [04:45:19] its people are ridiculous with their nations and their false plans that have no chance to open. If there is someone here who speaks French, I do not believe what I write, and I'm mad. But SHIT. [04:45:20] "My name is Pierre. I come from Paris. I've come to have sex with your family." [04:45:23] Chogall: You can't use the same slur against me. [04:45:24] TRANSLATION COMPLETE YAY [04:45:34] Oh but i can [04:45:49] Chogall: If you want to be a dumbass, sure. [04:46:00] Terrible translation [04:46:08] Oh but ive had a little bit to drink [04:46:11] yeah it's called google [04:46:20] because I completely forgot french [04:46:21] completely [04:46:22] So i dont care if im legible yet [04:46:46] Why is there still a Scott4? [04:46:54] Icebreaker [04:46:55] kill it [04:47:03]<**Scott4 has joined #micronations**> [04:47:04] oops [04:47:11] Good plan there, chief. [04:47:26] I'm Swedish, what the fuck do I know about planning? [04:47:41] You will fight like a swede [04:47:51] you know a lot about central planning [04:47:53] communist [04:48:03] ScottA: serious question. [04:48:09] Chogall: Yes, so don't come crying to me after each and every female in your village is ass raped. [04:48:13] Harvey: Yeah? [04:48:19] What, if anything, do you plan to do if one of these people you are PMing raises serious objections to our little scheme? [04:48:28] Come hurr and the french women will steal youre wallet [04:48:33] Harvey: Abandon it perhaps? [04:48:52] I've invited them to come to the chat room. We'll talk to them, we'll hear out their objections, and if they're not good enough, we'll do it anyway. [04:49:19] ScottA: Can't we just tell them to fuck off? :( [04:49:24] The chat room? So they'll just pop in at one random point and be all 'whazzdis I hear about removing the Kaiser?!" [04:49:32] Harvey: Yeah, pretty much. [04:49:43] Normally I'd be worried, but I don't think Jonas is exactly keeping tabs on us. [04:49:58] You do realize that this chat room is populated by unsavory characters. Like Hesam. And Bill3000. [04:50:13] Pah Jonas. [04:50:22] ScottA: What *is* Jonas doing exactly? [04:50:52] i'm only unsavory to you harvey [04:50:55] Malliki: I'd assume he's admiring a statue of himself, unaware of the stabbing that comes from behind! [04:51:06] Y'know, maybe I should talk to Jonas. [04:51:11] EYS [04:51:13] ScottA: Nah [04:51:17] Just so, if some of this leaks out, he doesn't feel like we were plotting against him. [04:51:17] THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA [04:51:27] BUT WE ARE PLOTTING AGAINST HIM. [04:51:28] ScottA: But we are? [04:51:31] BUT WE ARE [04:51:33] Pretty sure that's what I said at the beginning, not to be obnoxious [04:51:34] YES [04:51:51] Look, I'm going along with all this democracy because it's a good way to get people together, but this isn't a bloody negotiation with Jonas. [04:52:11] k [04:52:13] I need to do [04:52:15] more audente stuff [04:52:17] If you try to talk to him, he'll say he has plans and he'll say that such and such was a bad Kaiser and he'll wiggle and he'll squirm and you'll feel bad and nothing will get done. [04:52:19] audentior related stuff [04:52:34] Harvey: Yeah, proly [04:52:41] chogall and or allot [04:52:43] do you care [04:52:47] alright, well I support Scott's plan, and if I don't see you on the throne in a week, Scott I swear to all the gods of Micras I will eat your children. Have a nice day now. [04:52:48] We want to keep him as a citizen, because he's a good citizen. He's just a bad Kaiser. It HAPPENS. [04:53:09] There's got to be something I can say in between "You're okay, really" "HAHA, GOTCHA WITH A BACKSTAB!" [04:53:17] (and keep Jonas as a citizen) [04:53:18] And such is my closing thoughts [04:53:19] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80Z_03YwK08 [04:53:26] Yes, it's called "Please resign for the good of the country" [04:53:36]<**Allot quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [04:53:45] (and pay no attention to the angry mob outside your palace should you refuse; that's a cardboard cutout) [04:53:46] Later fellas [04:53:50]<**Chogall quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [04:54:45] I tell you, all this friendship is a weakness of the Apollo spirit. [04:55:25] Can't even launch a good conspiracy these days without having a nice little chat with cups of tea. [04:55:55] moar backstab [04:56:16] <***malliki is getting some dinner at 6 am***> [04:56:23] It's not even a backstab. He's aware that he's unpopular. He's bloody proud of it. [04:56:34] hey [04:56:35] 5 EST [04:56:37] like last time [04:56:37] right [04:56:39] He just never considered the possibility of a revolt. [04:56:51] Bill3000: yeah [04:56:53] okay [04:56:56] allot and chogall are in [04:57:01] we can discuss the coup tommarow [04:57:06] Gunna be crowded. [04:57:09] it won't matter if we don't do it till sunday [04:57:15] because it won't be released till later anyway [04:57:24] Pretty much. Chris is a week behind on Roundtable 3 anyway... [04:57:35] to be fair, it was 7 hours long. [04:58:21] I was finishing up editing the first half hour of real content [04:58:25] and for some reason, it vanished [04:58:33] the entire file is blank [04:58:39] What [04:58:46] blank [04:58:53] Is this just your way of saying you can't be bothered? [04:58:57] all of the audio tracks are there and the right length of time [04:58:59] but they're blank [04:59:51] "Well, this sucked cock. Now it's time to get shitfaced." [04:59:51] If I was Jonas, I would paraphrase the captain of a Swedish soccer team right after his team missed the gold said the following in national media: [05:00:43] "I'm writing this so that you don't get any nasty surprises later. You're a great citizen of Shireroth. But a lot of people aren't very happy at how the Kaisership is going. And yeah, partly that's my fault, because I threw this whole flag thing at you. Partly it's bad luck. But there's a bit of truth to it, too. Things like the capital move angered a lot of [05:00:51] , and whether that's fair or not, there's a lot of bad blood over it. Like Hesam said, there's kind of a coup brewing. Nothing evil. Some people are probably just going to ask you to abdicate sooner rather than later. [05:00:57] I think the most dignified end to this whole matter would be for you to agree to abdicate. We could get a new face on the throne and the country could start moving forward. And you could go back to being Duke of Kildare: William Payne hasn't lived up to your standards, and he's got no excuse for leaving without appointing a Steward. [05:01:03] Please consider doing it this way before people start getting all uprisingy. If you talk to your other Imperial Advisors about it, I think they'll say the same thing. [05:01:30] Oh, so we're just skipping to plan A now? Approve. [05:01:36] how long has Jonas been kaiser? [05:01:45] Less than a month and a half. [05:02:13] Hm. I haven't handled this so well so far. [05:02:20] But I think it will turn out okay. [05:02:25] Except for the Erik issue, maybe. [05:02:39] Send it before the second guessing eats away at you! [05:09:46] I sent it. [05:15:03] Annnd sent to Erik. [05:16:00] "We could get a new face on the throne" [05:16:01] uh [05:16:02] you never said [05:16:04] who gets to replace him [05:16:27] weird for Scott to say he's replacinghim [05:16:36] true but [05:16:37] how does he decide [05:16:55] hm [05:16:58] technically speaking [05:17:03] couldn't I declare myself baron in kildare [05:17:12] or would that be pretty dickish [05:17:17] baron? [05:17:21] in kildare? [05:17:25] baron of a barony [05:17:27] in kildare [05:17:28] I'd go with the "dickish" one. [05:17:44] are you the only resident of the barony? [05:18:18] eh [05:18:22] I want to remake antya [05:18:41] you can't legally make yourself a lesser noble [05:18:43] ...maybe later [05:19:09] not even if you're steward and have the full powers of a higher noble? :p [05:19:20] ah [05:19:26] in that case I would go with "dickish" [05:20:34] Bill [05:20:36] hi [05:20:40] I noticed you registered on the OAM forum [05:20:46] Please please PLEASE don't be a troll there. [05:20:46] yeah [05:20:48] not posting [05:20:54] no shit [05:20:55] Okay, just checking :) [05:21:03] Ari's pretty big on making them think we're all nice and friendly. [05:21:04] I saw ari there and i'm not going to ruin it for him [05:21:18] I'm just going to laugh at the guy there on #micronations [05:21:23] he made a government system possibly worse than demesos [05:21:45] no currency [05:21:45] but [05:21:48] there's a basic income system [05:23:18] I @$%&ing hate SUNP [05:23:23] lol [05:23:33] SUNP? [05:23:34] why [05:23:40] the dude we laughed at the other day [05:23:46] Bill: Read some of their posts. [05:23:46] ah [05:24:11] You are not authorised to view the member list or profiles. [05:24:12] ... [05:24:16] yeah [05:24:17] I can see [05:24:19] two fucking forums [05:25:14] linky to forum [05:25:30] http://forum.oamicro.org/index.php?noportal=1 [05:25:31] do not troll [05:26:05] It's really late now and I gotta start getting on a normal schedule, so Bill's theory of aesthetics is dumb. [05:26:25] You guys behave yourself around the OAM, or you'll have to answer to Ari. [05:26:27] goddammit [05:26:36] Bill: Problem? [05:26:46] you're annoying me with that :( [05:26:49] "yet another inactive micronational organisation" lol [05:27:00] Okay, I'll stop them. But we do need to discuss that aesthetics thing sometime. [05:27:12] in what sense are you talking about [05:27:21] The later sense. [05:27:23] Good night :) [05:27:23] aesthetics in general being relativist or just individuals' judgments [05:27:26]<**ScottA quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [05:27:31] asdfgthjk,l. [05:31:20] hi [05:31:21] harvey [05:33:12] ...he did the hyperborean fair? [05:34:59] I mean what's the point of celebrating it [05:35:00] it's kildare [05:36:01] on the bright side he did make holy shit that's a huge blackrock nua [05:36:02] harvey [05:40:29] <***bill3000 sighs***> [05:43:56] And what about Conservative Liberalism? As i am a Economic right Conservatistic Liberal. [05:43:59] lalz [05:46:22] that's so conservatistic [05:46:27] that was who [05:46:28] aryez? [05:47:05] no [05:47:06] on the forum [05:47:09] the OAM [05:47:32] Bradley from the OAM: [05:47:34] Head of Government: Prime-Minister [05:47:34] Head of state: Stadtholder [05:47:34] Yeah prob. where a bunch of idiots any way  [05:47:34] If i were the Prime-Minister, Bang bye bye Queen, Hello Glorious Zeven United Provinces of the Netherlands,  [05:47:34] second: Taking the Self-control of the Netherlands-antilles back and make it a Province. [05:47:34] enlarging of Rotterdam and The Hague, Building a huge navy and Army, striving to gain what we lost in 1748 (World Power) Promoting capitalism and business, DeAmericanization. Takeing the power of the EU back! And making Clear where Western sociaty [05:47:36] Destroying Iran, Iraq, Afganistan, Pakistan, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia. [05:47:38] Mmm germany could Destroy Iran, Give them the Prussian Spirirt and there almost un beateble. [05:48:20] What you want. [05:48:23] So, he basically wants Holland to wage war against the rest of the world. [05:48:33] I was looking at the kildare RPG demo. [05:48:45] did you look at it before? [05:49:00] No [05:49:18] wanna see it? [05:49:38] probably worth it just for the freaking huge blackrock nua map [05:49:41] Bradley: [05:49:42] Recreating the German nation with all its losses, Breaking the People's Republic China up and giving many parts to the Republic of China (taiwan) And freeing Tibet. Uniting Belgium and the Netherlands and Luxembourg under the Dutch flag, Destroying France and breaking it up in 1 million duchies. Giving the Princepallity of Orange back to the Orange-Nassau family, Taking back the control of our over sees terretories like the Netherlands anti [05:49:42] Nah what i said isnt my true plan  [05:49:42] Almost forgot, we gain East-Frissia (Oost-Friesland) [05:49:42] Making the EU pure economic. And ofc, moving poland more to the left where it belongs. Then disposing of the vatican and where done. [05:49:44] Flanders to Netherlands, Wallonia to France, Eupen-Malmedy to Germany, Brussels as International Capital of Europe! [05:50:00] Isn't it in that secret planning forum? [05:50:04] yes [05:50:56] At one point I was asked not to look at the game, and I don't recall that being ever reversed. [05:51:45] oh. [05:51:50] hm [05:51:55] maybe I shouldn't have gotten it [05:51:56] oh well [05:52:26] Srsly, if any of these OAM retards are joining Shireroth, I think they will leave in like 5 mins. [05:52:34] As far as I know, it's not being worked on. [05:52:45] Oh, mocking the OAM again? [05:53:00] It's not but that's a huge blackrock nua. [05:53:09] dude [05:53:14] we'd groom them [05:53:33] not like we didn't used to be tarded [05:53:37] depends on who we get [05:53:50] There's a terrifying thought... [05:54:04] The guy that continually says micronationalism is dumb wants to groom citizens. [05:54:19] exclusive we [05:54:29] wellno [05:54:30] that doesn't work [05:54:36] you'll groom them* [05:54:45] Me? [05:54:53] ... [05:54:55] y'all will groom them* [05:55:10] youse'll? [05:55:12] What are you, from the south? [05:55:23] you guys? [05:55:28] Yous guys. [05:55:44] Is there anything on OAM worth registering for? [05:55:56] look [05:56:00] we hated lovely right [05:56:05] but we managed to keep some good ones [05:56:07] we got spangle [05:56:12] even though we hated him at the beginning [05:56:22] that's the important part [05:56:22] I wasn't there for that. [05:56:32] not that every citizen will join us [05:56:41] When did you suddenly get all interested in recruitment? [05:56:47] And who is "us" anyway? Shireroth? [05:56:48] but once it becomes unpopular and people start leaving after they get bored, there would be some left [05:56:56] yes, shireroth, micronationalism, whatever [05:57:12] Well, they're already in micronationalism. [05:57:19] in our sector? no [05:57:23] I assume you're referring to some sort of nebulous "our sector" [05:57:29] yes :p [05:57:30] Okay. [05:57:54] Before we continue any further with this discussion, are you aware that roughly 12 hours ago I had an epiphany on this very subject? [05:58:27] It's a little odd that you'd come to the same curiosity that I did without talking to me. [05:58:43] nope [05:58:50] I wonder if this is the external problem to match the internal part of the Seldon crisis... [05:58:59] NO SELDON CRISIS STOP USING THAT TERM [05:59:13] Every time something happens, it makes more sense :) [05:59:27] Anyway, I have ideas, but they're unstable theory. I'm not sure how to apply it. [05:59:28] as you could see I was a bit annoyed that you were focusing on shirerothian activity when that's not the real "problem" [05:59:38] I mean [05:59:41] activity by itself [05:59:48] is just motivating people for a while [05:59:53] and [05:59:58] Eh, what am I being accused of this time? [06:00:20] well just earlier in the jonas thing and about what to do. that's why I said that erik is probably not a good choice for the next kaiser. [06:00:25] but [06:00:32] could it be that we just over-analyze things all the time? [06:00:38] oh fuck yes [06:01:13] Okay, so now you're worried about general micronational activity? [06:01:19] yeah [06:01:35] shireroth specifically really but [06:01:41] it's more general [06:01:47] Since you're too much of an asshole to do it, I'll just pretend you apologize for calling me various unflattering things when Scott asked me what I was worried about and I gave the same damn answer. [06:01:49] a nation consisting of 20 people each contributing something once a week is probably better than a nation consisting of 10 people each contributing twie a week, if not simply because it's easier to maintain and keep stable [06:02:10] That said, I pondered over the situation for a while, and decided that a stable, strong Shireroth helps us more than it hurts us. [06:02:47] If for no other reason that a lot of nations seem to make a career out of disliking Shireroth. [06:03:24] and I don't think a "stable" shireroth or whatever will do much. I'm not talking about something that maintains stuff, that's boring and irrelevent. I'm talking about making the nation attractive to people who would make good citizens? [06:03:34] Cyberia will probably like Shireroth. [06:03:46] ... so we're NOT talking about general activity? We're talking about Shireroth's activity? [06:04:25] Look, the current situation is largely due to Ari and Scott's quiet leadership. They've been steering Shireroth certain ways for a long time. [06:04:55] it's "both" [06:04:57] By now I'm convinced of the bankruptcy of their policies, as evidenced by the death of a lot of the surrounding nations (and, for a time, Shireroth itself) but I can't find a way to change their course. [06:05:07] I would never have been Kaiser(ess) if it wasn't for Ari. [06:05:19] eh [06:05:21] what did they do? [06:05:27] Oh, they all have the best of intentions, but it's just not working. [06:05:38] Bill3000: slowly making Shireroth the only real show in town. [06:06:49] by... [06:07:10] i'm not sure how that causes, say, babkha or antica to bow up [06:07:17] Slowly recruiting most available talent. Setting up a subdivision system and an annexation policy. [06:07:40] It's successful for Shireroth, sure, but it's causing wacky havok to the rest of the sector. [06:09:35] anyway though [06:09:43] that's why I pay attention to allot, chogall et al [06:10:07] Yeah, I do too. [06:10:40] But you guys just interrogate them. I try to care about stuff they're doing, be their friends and stuff. It's easier with Cho; he comes in more. [06:11:09] eh, you're right [06:11:12] I pissed him off once [06:11:14] last saturday [06:11:17] I just don't care about anything Cho does. [06:11:20] I'm sorry. [06:11:36] You don't need to care. But loudly not caring hurts things. [06:12:08] yah [06:12:11] gonna stop that [06:12:35] wonder if I should apologize for andreas [06:12:42] even though the rock falls everybody dies thing was awesome [06:12:50] it was [06:12:53] i lol'd [06:13:24] ... was pretty funny. [06:13:29] I was thinking of coming up with a hugeass follow up post detailing the dimise of the bad guy and other people through the falling of the rocks, but I couldn't be arsed. [06:13:37] demise. [06:13:56] honestly though [06:14:00] I don't want to roleplay [06:14:33] I dislike RP to the core of my being. [06:14:40] at least this lame fantasy shit [06:14:47] Some of it is okay, but a lot of it is going in weird directions. [06:14:51] which just proves how awesome Shireroth is. [06:15:16] I sort have a desire to write a story about a girl in Straylight that has all sorts of weird attachments, like a flash drive that hooks up to her brain or something. [06:15:28] But Straylight doesn't exist anymore :( [06:15:51] Scott'll bring it back when he's kaiser [06:16:01] Perhaps [06:16:18] He could make Yardistan a part of Straylight. [06:16:23] Yardistan is so lame now anyway [06:17:09] I'll feel a lot better about the Scott kaisership thing when it actually happens. [06:17:16] yeah [06:17:21] oh [06:17:22] shit [06:17:22] OH [06:17:23] we have to make sure he doesn't pussy out [06:17:24] I completely [06:17:27] COMPLETELY [06:17:28] forgot [06:17:29] my genius idea [06:17:30] I sort of got my conspiracy taken from me and its moved in weird directions. [06:17:31] for CoD4 [06:17:35] harvey [06:17:39] Go ahead. [06:17:41] you know the MCS map battle we're having [06:17:47] Yeah [06:17:49] make that part of CoD4 [06:17:52] leng disapears and shit [06:17:57] and the time distortionists are the MCS cartographers [06:18:02] Really? That was your genius idea? [06:18:09] ...it sounded good at the time [06:18:15] You know, there is an inverse relationship between control over a conspiracy and its direction [06:18:47] ... how does that make sense? More control = more direction? [06:18:58] mostly because the idea of spangle and benkern and craitman in time distortionist outfits sounds hilarious [06:19:00] Er, doesn't it? [06:19:19] <***harvey isn't all that sure what a time distortionist outfit even really looks like.***> [06:19:26] nfc [06:19:29] though you made some? [06:19:30] inverse relationship? [06:19:47] It's just pixels. [06:19:59] Malliki: how does being in control not give you full control over the direction? [06:20:24] no [06:20:27] I think he means [06:20:36] one who has control of a conspiracy cannot have a direction [06:21:04] What exactly is "a direction" in this case? [06:21:10] <***malliki is trying to figure out what he is thinking***> [06:21:15] lol [06:21:58] [01:13:30] <@Malliki> I dislike RP to the core of my being. [06:21:58] [01:13:37] <@Malliki> at least this lame fantasy shit [06:22:01] [01:13:47] <@Malliki> which just proves how awesome Shireroth is. [06:22:03] splain [06:22:10] Sarcasm [06:22:27] That you can have these weirdos in Elwynn doing their thing, and me in Brookshire doing my thing. [06:22:31] But it's still the same nation. [06:22:37] ah [06:22:44] ... I liked the sarcasm approach better. [06:23:14] Also, the weirdos in Elwynn are slowly realizing they have power, which will end strangely, mark my words. [06:23:23] hehe [06:23:48] I think it should be like this: inverse relationship between control over conspiracy and the *weirdness* of the direction [06:24:27] I... guess... [06:24:34] anyway [06:24:46] wow dudes coming on antican roundtable tommarow [06:24:50] Mostly I just blame Scott's "lets get everyone involved and do this right, even though that's never happened in the history of the decade" approach. [06:25:13] he's just like that [06:25:17] to be fair, it's a new decade, so not everything has been done. [06:25:24] Still, at least at some point I'll down in history at orchestrating (somewhat) the overthrow of Jonas, so that's okay. [06:25:31] Bill3000: ... point. [06:27:00] ...Barony of Fórntida Kærleikalanden? [06:27:40] What? [06:27:58] that has to be the most retarded name for a subdivision ever [06:28:12] wait [06:28:18] scott was the one who made the current forum colors [06:28:18] Is that really a subdivision? [06:28:22] it was apparently [06:28:25] check the archives [06:28:27] it was [06:28:37] "Barony of the Ancient Lovelands" [06:28:56] whose was that [06:28:56] "Seeking New Opportunities for Relations Environments" is my favorite [06:29:19] Bill3000: Harald's, ofc [06:29:32] uh [06:29:36] why didn't foghorn [06:29:45] put Netopalis in Norfolk [06:32:42] I have no idea what you're talking about. [06:33:25] http://shireroth.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=56 [06:33:30] foghorn's barony [06:33:33] was soon dissolved [06:34:16] moose and gman were gay married in it [06:34:21] and [06:34:26] foghorn is always complaining that he lost tymaria city [06:34:29] Sounds like a good reason to dissolve it to me. [06:34:33] so tell hi mto found netopalis as capital of norfolk [06:34:36] Even though he didn't! [06:34:44] yeah [06:35:12] this map is huge [06:35:26] 200 x 200 fully filled blackrock nua map ahrv [06:36:39] If you love that map so much, why don't you marry it? [06:36:59] i can't [06:37:06] because it doesn't exist in cod1,2,3 [06:37:41] maybe 4 [06:37:58] I'm fairly certain their game flatly contracts ours anyway. [06:38:40] ...they just took the CoD1 sprites, monsters, and spells? [06:39:15] and my map, of course [06:39:55] Apparently they took a lot of my graphics too. [06:40:08] who? [06:40:22] Jonas, Andreas, Nick, Fides, and other people making various RPGs. [06:40:37] ah [06:40:46] hey [06:40:50] they used a different blackrock theme [06:40:55] nothing like a little copyright infringement to get the juices flowing [06:40:55] though it seems to be the same general one? [06:41:12] nah it's fine [06:41:18] I'd probably steal bray tbh [06:41:47] I'm not amazingly amused by the thefts personally. Those bchar sets took countless hours each. [06:41:52] not sure when the party would ever *visit* it in CoD1 but it's a location. [06:42:17] bchars? [06:42:19] in the kildare rpg [06:42:32] ...did you make the jonas and andreas bchars? [06:43:00] I don't know who they used. [06:44:00] not your bchars [06:44:05] they didn't use any of yours [06:44:08] Okay [06:44:18] But Fides was talking about using mine. [06:44:21] outside of just taking CoD1's database as a default [06:44:32] Geez, really? [06:44:37] yeah [06:44:49] and used and adapted my kildare map [06:45:24] <***malliki feels a copyright infringement case coming up***> [06:45:27] Tsch [06:45:38] I should SCIPPA this crap. [06:45:49] don't be a scooterfag [06:46:21] to be fair though [06:46:26] I guess they could have at least asked [06:46:34] For real. [06:46:45] I spent a long ass time on this stuff. [06:47:00] Is anyone of you in Gralus? [06:47:09] As a citizen? No. [06:47:14] I don't think I could take it... [06:47:25] cause SCIPPA has only been signed by Gralus [06:47:45] why hasn't shireroth signed it [06:47:49] I could have Nelaga sign, and copyright it in Nelaga. That would solve a fair number of the issues. [06:48:00] Perhaps I could bring that up to Scott. [06:48:13] you could also take it to me when I'm arbiter [06:48:39] we could introduce the signing of the SCIPPA in the Landsraad [06:49:07] Could [06:50:00] I'm gonna try to get Cyberia to join the SC [06:50:38] Malliki: sad to say, Max hasn't lived up to any of either of our expectations. [06:50:48] I know [06:51:00] I suppose I could invoke Secondus rights to get stuff moving, but I feel like I'm doing something nobody is interested in anymore. [06:51:32] I am interested. We need someone to drive the SC. [06:51:38] Erik's departure at that time hit it hard, possibly fatally. Ironically he'll be getting a FNORD in the mail soon for it. [06:51:40] now it's like we're all in the back seat [06:53:45] I think I'm beginning to spread a little thin. [06:54:03] I'll finish this Seldon crisis *ducks thrown objects from Bill* and then get back to CoD2ing a lot more. [06:54:08] I'm not saying you should do it, but we need SOMEONE to [06:54:17] Oh, I know. [06:54:32] Perhaps a new nation could get someone interested a bit again. [06:54:38] We haven't had a new one for a while [06:54:43] There's nothing saying a normal member can't do things. The Primate/Secondus has few roles, mostly dealing with officially closing votes and stuff. [06:54:52] <***bill3000 psionically stabs Harvey in the Face***> [06:55:24] yo [06:55:24] say [06:55:26] seldon crisis [06:55:57] You're putting this into your bot, aren't you? [06:56:00] Seldon crisis. [06:56:01] /me psionically stabs Harvey in the face [06:56:05] shit [06:56:07] Nice try. [06:56:17] try again [06:56:23] Seldon crisis. [06:56:44] L/ [06:56:47] :/ [06:57:01] forget it [06:57:15] <***harvey makes Aure a dual ice/earth mage with a few physical staff techs.***> [06:57:36] her hair is red and you're making her ice [06:57:37] good job [06:57:58] It's more orange in the sprites really. [06:58:15] I admit the ice isn't canon (oddly, the earth is) but the game has only one ice character and Awaldock ain't a mage. [06:58:51] how is the earth canon [07:00:48] http://shireroth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=5211 [07:01:16] tl;dr - Stone Jackabar, who was playing an earth golem, infused her with some weird, potentially evil demonic blood. [07:03:04] man if malliki hated the elwynese roleplaying now [07:03:21] Yeah. [07:03:21] huh? [07:03:29] But she was the Kaiseress, so she could do what she wanted. [07:03:40] who? [07:03:45] Aure [07:03:51] the one I stalked last night [07:03:56] weren't you here for that [07:03:57] KANTZLER!!!!!!!! [07:04:52] It's nice to know that I've been her for so long you think I was here for Aure. [07:05:14] .... [07:05:18] No. [07:05:21] I meant last night [07:05:23] while I was stalking her. [07:05:38] was she here last night? [07:06:12] no [07:06:25] but I was googling her to find out where the fuck she was now [07:06:36] I couldn't find anything past 2005 though [07:08:29] okies [07:08:33] isn't she on DA? [07:09:24] Yes, but she hasn't posted anything [07:09:28] for quite a while [07:09:31] ah [07:09:39] oh [07:09:48] I liked the Kantzler decree [07:09:56] the lube question was in 2008 [07:10:39]<**Harvey quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [07:10:39]<**Harvey quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [07:10:39]<**Harvey quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [07:14:04] Cyberia has a PPD of 10 [07:14:06] approx [07:16:17] no one else replied? [07:16:28] about? [07:16:42] cyberia [07:16:57] just you and me here [07:17:16] ...no, from your mass emails. [07:17:25] okay apparently bogdanova is the russian equivilent of smith [07:17:38] feminine form [07:18:00] Ryan, Pete, Zach and me from the old Cyberia [07:18:15] Two more answered and said maybe [07:18:37] Harvey is on Skype [07:18:59] wee? [07:20:31]<**Aryaman has joined #micronations**> [07:20:44] Aryaman: Hi? [07:20:50] hi [07:21:04] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryaman [07:21:18]<**Harvey has joined #micronations**> [07:21:27] Aryaman: So? [07:21:40] ARYA MAN [07:21:42] ARYA MAN [07:21:45] DOING EVERYTHING [07:21:48] AN ARYA MAN CAN [07:21:59] claiming yourself to be a deity, then [07:22:00] lol [07:22:03] bosom friend? [07:22:06] god of boobies? [07:22:25] Bill3000: YOU ARE MY BOSOM FRIEND [07:22:26] Chris: I was actually worshipped [07:22:28] just wanted to chant my name up a bit [07:22:43] eh okay [07:22:43] I'm sure you were [07:22:48] Aryaman: are you high or what? [07:22:55] no [07:22:56] I mean [07:23:01] someone made a religion [07:23:02] worshipping me [07:23:12] i was just going around through dc smashing up windows and cars [07:23:16] still pretty excited [07:23:19] Who's the guy? [07:23:24] you were? [07:23:24] aryez [07:23:39] Bill3000: "we should all worship the living god, Bill3000"? [07:23:57] ys [07:23:59] yes [07:24:27] What a weird guy Hubert was. [07:24:34] why would you go around smashing windows and cars? [07:24:36] are you mad? [07:25:15] no [07:25:23] giant snowstorm [07:25:37] the entire campus ereupted into one snowball fight [07:25:45] so we had fun [07:26:24] Snowball fight = breaking car windows? [07:27:35] my campus is an open campus [07:27:37] hm [07:27:39] should I [07:27:46] so inevitably cars might get hit [07:27:49] Y [07:27:52] a) record my measurements from lab today on excel [07:27:54] b) go to bed [07:27:55] pick one [07:27:56] obviously hoolaganism wasn't intented [07:27:58] a [07:28:07] harvey? [07:28:15] Sleepz [07:28:23] aryez [07:28:24] answer me [07:28:30] it's tied [07:28:47] 2:27 AM and I had 3 hours sleep last nigh [07:28:48] t [07:28:50] now granted [07:28:54] that's good enough for malliki [07:29:02] true [07:29:22] how the fuck can you work like that [07:29:24] what do you do [07:29:26] b [07:29:32] student [07:29:36] ah [07:29:38] ah, so the snow has started, then [07:29:40] major? [07:29:41] lucky bastards [07:29:44] I think Albany is missing it entirely [07:29:46] Does explain why he's a bit loopy. [07:29:51] Bill3000: adult education [07:30:05] business economics [07:30:08] ah [07:30:29] someone said you were an english teacher [07:30:36] and we don't have the major/minor system here anyway [07:30:38] the snow needs to melt soon so i can move around [07:30:39] <***bill3000 glares at Harvey***> [07:30:41] oh [07:30:47] I was in teacher college before [07:30:48] .... I nevef said that! [07:30:56] Where the heck would I have gotten that from. [07:31:26] Aryaman: Or you could get people to plow the streets. [07:31:33] but then again, you ppl don't like taxes [07:31:33] Malliki: and you wonder why I'm a little defensive with the random accusations. It's because people keep making random accusations! [07:31:36] oh well [07:31:39] time to go to sleep [07:31:52] slay some hugeass stone monster babies for me [07:31:55] public services!? [07:31:57] are you mad!? [07:32:15] just call it a vision I have [07:32:31] a society where people pay for services and then get them. [07:32:40] next you'll suggest that THE STATE should pay for police and fire [07:32:57] when we all know that the market and private industry are the best ways of handling them [07:33:05] ofc [07:33:07] people are going to plow the streets soon [07:33:16] private police forces ftw... [07:33:18] i live 2 blocks away from and in full sight of the white house [07:33:30] we can give them shotgun-fired tasers [07:33:30] Aryaman: you know, here we have people doing that all the time. [07:33:34] i expect the presidential motorcade needs the streets cleaned so it can move [07:34:27] universal healthcare or killing people in Iraq... hmm... [07:34:38] Chrimigules? [07:34:45] yo [07:34:52] KILL EVERYONE [07:35:00] America is a Christian Nation [07:35:08] i sense you're trying to give a moral lecture on the so called superiorty of your system [07:35:09] and if we know anything about Christianity, it's that it worships death [07:35:10] yes that is true [07:35:12] Malliki [07:35:20] therefore, MORE ON THE PYRE [07:35:31] Aryaman: Not so much a moral lecture [07:35:43] Christianity is actually a religion of life and Nietzsche worshiped death [07:35:50] come on now [07:35:59] Christianity's core principle is life in death [07:36:02] if you want a crappy system feel free, but don't go around being all snippy about it. [07:36:07] eternal life [07:36:13] I'm pretty sure you haven't listened to twenty years of sermons [07:36:23] you go to church? [07:36:28] my parents do [07:36:36] <***harvey is all snippy in general.***> [07:36:39] Chrimigules: Heathens... [07:36:41] you should go with them [07:36:50] Aryaman: LOL! Why? [07:36:51] I did when I lived there [07:36:51] especially since you're orthodox [07:36:57] and do when I'm at my parents house [07:37:01] but only to make them happy [07:37:06] orthodox christianity is very mystical [07:37:14] what's so great about mysticism? [07:37:15] to an outsider at least [07:37:23] it makes you feel good [07:37:26] mysticism is all about fuzzy thinking and non-falsifiable claims [07:37:30] India is very mystical so I'm used to it [07:37:30] Depends on the church. I had a chruch that gave some seriously good sermons, but a lot of them are fairly bland. [07:37:35] Chrimigules: That's all the Christians have to fool people with. [07:37:50] it might make you feel good, but it's empty feelings [07:37:54] there's no substance behind it [07:38:03] I'd rather have good feelings about something I know is true [07:38:06] in fact Christianity isn't mystical enough (to the outsider) because it uses a bunch of magic and fairly tales [07:38:07] Chrimigules: Good you're not a Catholic. They're only in it for the boy fucking. [07:38:14] Well, the sermons I'm talking about are things even skeptics can approve of, like being nice and helping the community through volunteer efforts. [07:38:26] Don't gotta believe in nuthin' to see that's worthwhile. [07:38:34] at least Orthodox Christianity is not fire and brimstone Christianity [07:39:06] fucking heretics [07:39:07] it's happy-go-lucky death worship [07:39:09] mysticism is about embracing the life force and how it connects all things in the universe [07:39:21] mysticism is about rejecting the real in favor of fantasy [07:39:21] <***bill3000 burns Aryaman at the stack***> [07:39:22] ... [07:39:24] <***bill3000 burns Aryaman at the stake***> [07:39:28] Aryaman: Oh for the love of the gods... [07:39:28] its not false, its the ultimate community [07:39:33] I thought you were going to sleep? [07:39:55] yeah [07:39:56] bed now [07:39:56] night [07:39:58] a person who doesn't have a sense of mysticism is not a person [07:40:05] the ultimate community? it's the mystical religions that have caused the most killing over doctrinal disagreements [07:40:05] because mysticism is the ultimate expression of emotion [07:40:06] lol wtf? [07:40:18] There's shocking few good pictures of people fighting with two-handed quarterstaves. [07:40:18] what are you talking about [07:40:24] the Romans and Greeks didn't kill people over religion [07:40:26] christianity and islam are the killer religions [07:40:32] they're mystical religions [07:40:33] they cause the killing in the name of religion [07:40:35] no they aren't [07:40:39] Hinduism and Taoism are [07:40:40] yes they are [07:40:48] okay our defintions of mystic are different [07:40:54] I think I'm just gunna have to tough this one out on google... [07:41:26] ever Sunday service, I hear the words where the people swear to keep the sacred mysteries secret [07:41:34] which honestly doesn't make sense [07:41:38] everybody knows about Jesus [07:41:38] Chrimigules: Transfiguration Mystic/non-mystic [07:41:38] Where they what? [07:41:48] sacred mysteries [07:41:52] they're supposed to be kept secret [07:42:09] only those initiated into a mystery religion are supposed to know the "mysteries" [07:42:14] secret sacred mysteries or sacred secret mysteries? [07:42:14] See, my nondenominational stuff (apparently) gets a bad rep, but at least it's a religion for the fairly skeptical person that still wants to do good in the modern age. [07:42:22] secret sacred mysteries [07:42:50] it's all about having the inside knowledge, mystery religions [07:42:55] <***malliki loves the science behind the non-mystical transfiguration***> [07:43:02] well I would say in terms of definition, Christianity/Islam are divine-command moral religions, whereas eastern religions are more "spiritual" [07:43:14] eh, probably [07:43:40] which is what i meant by mystical [07:43:49] it's still denial of the physical [07:43:52] organized religion sucks ass anyway [07:43:58] although a lot of the "mystery" stuff you talked about is from the east [07:44:13] if I remember correctly, the mystery religions entered the roman empire from persia/iran [07:44:20] I'm sorry, but it matters more to my life that I interact with my desk than I interact with some sort of distant, pantheistic thing [07:44:24] and derive from zoroastrianism such as mithrism [07:44:44] at least I can touch it [07:44:49] nobody denies the physical [07:44:49] I know it's there [07:44:51] who gives? this is not a religious chat room, there are plenty of them around I suppose. [07:44:56] (When did this become a religious theory discussion?) [07:44:56] that's what mysticism is all about [07:45:08] do you deny the existence of energy [07:45:11] Harvey: Mental High-Five! [07:45:13] define energy [07:45:31] electromagnetic waves [07:45:33] Malliki: get out of my head! Get out of my head!! [07:45:34] those exist [07:45:48] those are not physical yet they exist [07:45:56] how are they not physical? [07:45:57] Hey, if we're talking about crackpot theories with little backing, how 'bout dem psionics? [07:45:58] <***malliki sees Deepak Chopra coming round the mountain...***> [07:46:09] true mysticism actually just says all is one and one is all and everything is connection [07:46:16] this is validated by several theories of physics [07:46:24] are they now [07:46:33] like the fact that all the forces, like the em, gravity, nuclear forces are in fact manifestations of one force [07:46:37] Aryaman: I gotta go with Chrim here, how are electromagnetic waves not physical? [07:46:39] and energy and matter are manifestations of the same thing [07:46:53] ...so? [07:46:53] em waves are carried by photons [07:47:00] photons are particles [07:47:05] those aren't material entities [07:47:06] hence physical [07:47:09] they have no mass and are not physical [07:47:09] they're particles [07:47:18] they are energy. [07:47:21] besides you have anti matter [07:47:22] and dark energy [07:47:28] other things that are not physical matter [07:47:30] so antimatter isn't physical? [07:47:33] dark energy hasn't been proven [07:47:40] light isn [07:47:51] there's an interesting thing I've heard about dark energy [07:47:55] light is photons is energy is physical [07:48:00] I can't quite remember what it is, though [07:48:05] Chrimigules: antimatter is the evil's matter! [07:48:09] Aryaman: I think you fail physics forever. [07:48:30] I really should find that lecture on it [07:48:32] it was fascinating [07:48:44] And last I heard, the Grand Unified Theory isn't exactly going all that well. [07:49:02] also time exists [07:49:06] time is not physical [07:49:12] what is time? [07:49:28] the 4th dimension [07:49:35] the who ha? [07:49:40] Time is causality. If one thing is dependent on another, it by definition has to happen after the first thing. [07:49:48] you never learned einstein's theory? [07:49:50] Malliki: hey, they did gravity and magnetism. That ain't bad. [07:49:56] you mail physics malliki [07:49:59] *fail [07:50:10] I don't know all the theory about it, but the whole spacetime thing... mmm [07:50:12] You mail at failing people. [07:50:19] dimension implies you can move through it [07:50:21] Aryaman: You fail at thinking. [07:50:29] i highly doubt we can question einstein [07:50:34] Space-time is physics. [07:50:49] are dimensions physical entities [07:50:52] or the plain of existance [07:50:56] wherein all things happen [07:50:56] Aryaman: that statement ALONE proves you're not a scientist. [07:50:58] what is existence [07:51:06] Oh the gods... [07:51:07] existence is what is [07:51:10] Einstein did a lot of good things, but we must always question everything. [07:51:10] once you go down to quantum mechanics things get fuzzy [07:51:11] Scott wanted to talk to me apparently.. [07:51:13] you have to have a word for it [07:51:14] things exist or maybe not [07:51:55] erik_mortis: the gist of it is that we're supporting Scott for Kaiser instead of you since Cho'gall/Allot... umm... have strong feelings. But Scott will only be on the throne like a month. You'll get it after him for sure and will be on for the 10th birthday. [07:52:02] or you can approach existence from Heraclitus pov [07:52:16] Then.. fuck you guys.. your on your own.. [07:52:27] is he the one who said everything flows, nothing remains? [07:52:30] oh ho what is that [07:52:30] erik_mortis: Thank you, good bye. [07:52:33] Yeah, we basically expected that response. [07:52:37] yes, chrimigules [07:52:41] he was smart [07:52:50] For the record I *AM* sorry it ended up this way. I fought for you until the end. [07:52:53] Buddha said the same thing [07:52:57] so? [07:53:04] just saying [07:53:06] the statement having merit doesn't mean anything [07:53:11] Buddha taught Heraclitus [07:53:14] it's appeal to authority [07:53:18] Meh... I don't want scott as Kaiser now.. it's not a good idea. [07:53:31] nothing wrong with appeal to authority [07:53:35] erik_mortis: You said what you think. And btw, you're on LOA. [07:53:38] ethos is a valid appeal [07:53:40] everything is wrong with appeal to authority, because nobody is infallible [07:53:50] Actually.. I haven't said much of anything. [07:53:52] no but some people are wiser so are more likely to be write [07:53:59] that's like saying Vegetarianism is evil because Hitler advocated it [07:54:05] You said "fuck you guys you're on your own" [07:54:11] So, kthnxbai [07:54:12] if some random fuck said something i wouldn't really listen until he convinced me logically [07:54:13] erik_mortis: I agree, but I was fairly outnumbered. [07:54:26] Your LoA was ultimately the major deciding factor, I think. [07:54:31] if he convinces you logically, then it isn't authority that you're listening to, it's their reasoning [07:54:31] yeah [07:54:33] but if someone like buddha said something then im willing to consider it closely [07:54:57] Honestly, I was planning to come out of that like.. now... I never really went. [07:55:11] and if we did the malarbor thing.. it made sense for me.. not to be me.. [07:55:27] so if eric leaves, who is going to be duke of musica [07:55:37] We're not doing the Malarbor thing either. [07:55:39] Harvey? [07:55:40] erik_mortis: Doesn't matter. It kinda stings in many peoples' eyes that you can go on extended LOA and then just come back and take the Kaisership. [07:55:45] good . [07:55:49] I... lost control of the conspiracy. Too many people got involved. [07:55:58] nice one, Harvey [07:56:05] pah. I never really went on LOA. [07:56:14] Chrimigules: :( [07:56:16] erik_mortis: Again, doesn't matter. You said you did, you didn't post. [07:56:23] I've gone to the board every day and spent all my time here. [07:56:24] it happens [07:56:38] I went on the LOA to be out of the fucking waY! [07:56:38] my question [07:56:39] ? [07:56:48] erik_mortis: People see it as you bailing. [07:56:55] That's why they don't want you as Kaiser. [07:57:11] I did it so you could do your stupid flag shit and I wouldn't have to be involved, or in the way. [07:57:25] Aryaman: I'm sure that'll be figured out later [07:57:27] Because I tried to be nice? [07:57:36] erik_mortis: And now it came around and bit you in the ass. [07:57:47] I can't accept Malliki as Duke [07:57:52] The road to hell is paved in good intentions. [07:57:57] Look, no offense, but I stuck my neck way out for you farther then I've ever seen you stick yours out for me. It didn't work out, okay, I'm not happy about that, but I did try. [07:58:23] I thank you Harvey. [07:58:31] Managed to get you a second best situation, which is a guaranteed throne in a month. [07:58:37] Aryaman: I will admit that a lot of mystical things sound nice and fluffy bunnies, but until I see some evidence that it's accurate, I can't help but remain skeptical about it. [07:58:45] Harvey: But apparently we should all go fuck ourselves. [07:58:46] And what will scott do in the mean time? [07:58:56] Mike.. shut up.. your shit isn't helping... [07:59:03] You said it [07:59:04] you know very well you can't prove mysticism [07:59:06] I'm honestly in a lot of pain right now.. [07:59:13] if you can't prove mysticism, then what's the point in it? [07:59:16] we need to ask [07:59:24] what is the goal of speculation and philosophy [07:59:27] so coming in to ...this.. isn't helping. [07:59:37] I dunno. I'm not really the philosophizing type. [07:59:41] is it just gaining knowledge (of the physical world) for no purpose [07:59:42] So excuse me for begin agry. [07:59:44] no [07:59:50] nor is it to control the world [07:59:57] its to improve our own selves and communities [08:00:05] erik_mortis: No, not really. You have no reason to be angry at me. [08:00:07] but that can be done without mysticism [08:00:07] erik_mortis: What's wrong? [08:00:08] I go on LOA so I could work on the bank, let people do the flag thing without me, and some other stuff.. and it shoots me in the ass. [08:00:10] western philosophy is a dead end on that count [08:00:26] things like post modernism are worthless [08:00:26] they make no sense [08:00:27] Confucianism, for example, is bereft of mysticism. [08:00:33] it's not particularly friendly, but it doesn't have it [08:00:40] All I ever fucking try to do.. is help the country.. and it allways.. ALWAYs.. fucks me over. [08:00:44] that's correct [08:00:52] but Chinese philosophy compensates for that in Taoism [08:00:53] then why can't we have the morality without the mysticism? [08:00:57] in the ass... like a pinecone covered in sandpaper.. [08:00:59] You haven't exactly been fucked over... [08:01:08] you need a practical aspect as well as a mystical aspect [08:01:09] No... I'm just pissed.. [08:01:11] erik_mortis: nice mental image [08:01:12] I won't deny that [08:01:15] erik_mortis: I just fail to understand here. How did you think you going on LOA would improve your chances of being Kaiser again? [08:01:16] It's not like you're being thrown out. Scott will probably blanket pardon everyone involved in all of this. [08:01:18] thansls. [08:01:33] morality doesn't need mysticism [08:01:34] I'm not convinced that the mystical aspect is necessary for people to not be dicks to one another [08:01:34] I didn't intend to go for the Kaisership when I went... [08:01:38] at least social morality [08:01:50] although to feel a connection to other communities, the world, etc. you might need it [08:02:04] that's what solidarity, comradery is for [08:02:06] erik_mortis: And people apparently doesn't like someone who doesn't want to be in the nation if he isn't Kaiser, which is kinda what it looks like. [08:02:16] but mysticism is just to gain an overall appreciation and awe of everything holistically as well as to transform yourself internally and gain inner peace [08:02:30] ideologies and nations come and go [08:02:34] you need something permanent, eternal [08:02:35] Looks.. looks... whatever. I'm tired of the games... [08:02:42] that's why we need mysticism not solidarity [08:02:43] but everything comes and goes [08:02:43] erik_mortis: well, you'll still get it in about a month, which is when Jonas's reign would have ended if we let it end naturally. [08:02:45] nothing persists [08:02:49] so much for the comrades of the soviet union [08:02:51] things only last a little longer than others [08:03:01] I don't trust scott right now... [08:03:10] everything flows and nothing remains [08:03:17] erik_mortis: So don't play. A lot of the drama comes from you. I also heard something about you wanting to make yourself Kaiser forever or something. [08:03:18] Heraclitus got that part right [08:03:25] everything is in flux but the flux state persists [08:03:34] maybe [08:03:35] idle ideas.. I know that's a bad idea. [08:03:41] I've always admited it. [08:03:45] some constants persist like time and space, within them everything is in flux [08:03:49] It would be bad for all. [08:03:53] me especially. [08:03:54] then again, things could also be running down over a very very long period of time [08:04:02] erik_mortis: And you don't see that the very idea could provoke people? [08:04:09] we've only been observing for a short period of time [08:04:10] So what are Scott's plans for the throne aye? [08:04:14] i think there the universe beings and ends [08:04:17] ad infinitum [08:04:20] there are infinte universes [08:04:25] and infintime time [08:04:26] probably [08:04:35] all of this together is the One [08:04:37] the Tao [08:04:38] Brahman [08:04:39] and God [08:04:42] and Allah [08:04:45] the stoics believed that the world ends and then begins again in fire [08:04:57] I like the stoics [08:04:58] the fire part might not be right [08:04:59] very wise men [08:05:00] erik_mortis: vague cleaning up stuff, doing decrees for the duchies that should have been done by Jonas. Designing a new forum color layout that is NOT the default. Something about increasing the power of the Landsraad to prevent rebellions from being necessary, but that's vague. [08:05:01] I knew it would provote people.. but it's not like I went out to the forums talking about ti.. I talked about it... briefly here... then discarded it. Everyone said.. bad idea.. I agreed. [08:05:04] it's more a nice mental image [08:05:11] the phoenix and such [08:05:16] we shouldnt take myths literally [08:05:20] but i believe in their importance [08:05:20] but we have better things now [08:05:25] for this symbolism [08:05:31] Yeah..... that last one scares the CRAP out of me. [08:05:32] we don't need people sitting around thinking about what might be true [08:05:38] Scott and the Charter... never mix well [08:05:40] their symbolism can connect with humans more and better than looking at everything logicallyh [08:05:44] we can start finding it out [08:06:00] erik_mortis: He wanted to make me Arbiter and people generally agreed. [08:06:05] but some things dont matter [08:06:08] So I won't allow him to put bs in there [08:06:10] yes yes... of course. [08:06:13] like what? [08:06:24] we dont really need to know about what happens in some galaxy 2 billion light years away [08:06:26] It's actually the forum color that scares the crap out of me. I don't think the Landsraad plans will be successful. [08:06:28] that has no relevance to our lives [08:06:28] Why am I even here anymore. [08:06:33] it might [08:06:41] not at the moment [08:06:47] (shireroth must become a republic) [08:06:49] I can't seem to do anything right for people.. [08:06:55] studying about gamma ray bursts could help us figure out if we'll be snuffed out by a supernova next Tuesday [08:07:00] erik_mortis: Perhaps you should learn to just hang out? You don't have to be Kaiser all the time and you really don't need to be Arbiter all the time. [08:07:04] plus, there is value to simply finding out and knowing [08:07:06] and if we figure that out [08:07:11] you don't know what finding out can bring you [08:07:13] we cant stop a gamma ray burst at our level [08:07:19] I haven't been Kaiser in.... over a year? [08:07:26] That's hardly all the time. [08:07:27] yeah [08:07:35] science is fine [08:07:38] but it needs a goal [08:07:40] science is great [08:07:46] we need to consider knowledge holistically [08:07:48] but you know, not all of us have a regular shot at the kaisership. [08:07:49] and it does have a goal, figure things out [08:07:53] science combined with philosophy and humanities [08:07:54] it's pretty straight forward [08:08:06] I haven't had it since 2003ish :) [08:08:07] besides science is a biased world view [08:08:08] I only ever get a shot at it when people want me to come save their asses. [08:08:16] what, biased towards evidence? [08:08:18] I feel so loved.. [08:08:19] i like how there are two parallel convos going on [08:08:23] yeah [08:08:26] erik_mortis: Are you here for love? [08:08:36] "Please.. Erik.. save our asses.. oh.. thanks.. buy! Go fuck off now." [08:08:46] how is there a bias in science that isn't a bias towards what there is evidence for and bias away from what lacks evidence? [08:08:52] I thought it was a micronational law that you never get any credit for anything. [08:08:55] I don't know why I'm here anymore. [08:08:56] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science#Critiques [08:08:56] you can read about it here [08:09:02] the article is quite good [08:09:17] I can't ever seem to make people happy. [08:09:23] if there is a problem with particular theories that have consensus, then they will be fixed [08:09:27] science is a self-correcting proces [08:09:28] s [08:09:52] I go for the throne cause I like to get shit done.. not for power.. not even really for credit.. I just like doing things. [08:09:55] Professor Stanley Aronowitz scrutinizes science for operating with the presumption that the only acceptable criticisms of science are those conducted within the methodological framework that science has set up for itself. That science insists that only those who have been inducted into its community, through means of training and credentials, are qualified to [08:10:06] Tinkering, tuning. Fixing. [08:10:09] erik_mortis: So that's why you're here? To make us happy? It's not to make yourself happy cause you like to be here? If that is the case, and you truly don't enjoy it, you should leave. [08:10:14] well, that's not science itself [08:10:19] that's the scientific community [08:10:23] make these criticisms.[35] Aronowitz also alleges that while scientists consider it absurd that Fundamentalist Christianity uses biblical references to bolster their claim that the bible is true, scientists pull the same tactic by using the tools of science to settle disputes concerning its own validity.[36] [08:10:33] Mike.. what's your goal with this conversation? [08:10:36] Remind me to thank Scott for having us deal with his problems like this... [08:10:44] Heil Scott [08:10:48] erik_mortis: my goal is for you to not be too angry. [08:10:53] what's wrong with the tools of science? [08:10:53] I'm going to fail, but it's okay. [08:10:56] to be fair.. he tried to talk to me around 8ish. [08:10:56] they work [08:10:59] talking snakes don't work [08:11:08] erik_mortis: I don't know actually. My goal with that statement was just saying that if you don't enjoy being in Shireroth, you shouldn't be. [08:11:13] saying that the Sun was held in the sky an extra two hours doesn't work [08:11:18] science can go so far [08:11:26] I used to enjoy being there. . [08:11:26] it can go very far [08:11:26] other than describing physical phenomenon [08:11:38] it can't epxlain why [08:11:38] erik_mortis: I know the feeling. [08:11:39] science can only describe what is there [08:11:43] I know there is a universe and a big bang [08:11:45] Malliki: ayep [08:11:45] but why [08:11:47] science can't do that [08:11:47] But note the things I've done in the last while.. bank.. sc... work. not politics. [08:11:50] if it isn't there to be tested, it can't do anything about it [08:11:56] That's what my goal on the throne was.. work. [08:12:01] erik_mortis: I loved Cyberia for a while, and then it all went to crap. [08:12:16] well, they're working on those parts [08:12:18] the big bang [08:12:19] and such [08:12:20] erik_mortis: But you can work without being kaiser you know. [08:12:23] they're working on it [08:12:33] Economic work for one, trying to fix counties, the duchies needed to get their shit togethr... [08:12:35] there are questions still [08:12:36] there was a lecture I was watching that talked a lot about the universe [08:12:40] there will always be questions [08:12:41] why is there existence [08:12:43] you can't fear questions [08:12:44] instead of nothing [08:12:51] and you can't answer questions with non-answers [08:12:57] I love questions. I just don't think science has all the answers [08:13:03] So who didn't want me as Kaiser? [08:13:04] why is there existence? I don't know. If I find out why, great. If not, also great. [08:13:07] erik_mortis: One doesn't have to be Kaiser to get shit done. Unless you have a crappy Kaiser who doesn't listen to people... [08:13:25] well peoeple ought to be curious [08:13:28] and ask those questions [08:13:31] and well think about it [08:13:32] the problem with religion is that it fills those unanswered questions by putting a god there [08:13:34] speculate a bit [08:13:35] erik_mortis: chogall, allot, bill [08:13:35] or some mystical property [08:13:37] it can't hurt to speculate [08:13:37] erik_mortis: a lot of people were shaky on the idea, but were largely united because I was insisting it would work. [08:13:40] like souls and demons [08:13:50] but they aren't answers [08:13:52] they're fill-ins [08:13:52] Bill doesn't matter he'll be gone in a month. [08:14:06] erik_mortis: The other two do matter tho [08:14:12] those are symbolic representations of the human spirit [08:14:17] which is what? [08:14:19] its necesarry to believe [08:14:23] I could like persuade them... [08:14:23] in order not to go insane [08:14:25] humanity is all alone [08:14:28] I'm perfectly sane [08:14:28] not that I'll get a chance. [08:14:29] erik_mortis: Proly not [08:14:35] on a small little ball [08:14:41] because I'm on 'LOA' [08:14:43] ? [08:14:44] surrounded by blackness [08:14:47] billions of stars [08:14:48] erik_mortis: They don't want you as Kaiser, pretty much. [08:14:50] that's not a problem for me, though [08:14:51] no contact with any aliens [08:14:53] hey guys [08:15:00] the time and space involved are amazing [08:15:06] we as a species need to assure ourselves [08:15:08] I am not filled with despair over humanity being alone, or having a limited lifespan which could end tomorrow [08:15:08] we need hop [08:15:10] hope [08:15:13] science provides no hope [08:15:16] erik_mortis: You leaving didn't help your image. [08:15:18] And their reasons... are? [08:15:19] just cold hard facts [08:15:23] science does not provide hope, yes [08:15:27] but it also does not provide false hope [08:15:40] erik_mortis: presumably personal or political. Possibly both. They didn't elaborate much. [08:15:46] assurance that everything will be okay in the end is what children need [08:15:48] humanity needs to grow up [08:16:02] fear is not a reason for believing anything [08:16:13] erik_mortis: I think they would perhaps have tolerated it if Jonas had named you heir. [08:16:13] if that were true, we would never stop believing in monsters under our beds [08:16:13] ....wait... [08:16:21] something just presented... [08:16:38] Malliki: oh Jesus, what are you doing? [08:16:47] Harvey: About what? [08:17:04] Malliki: you know that Erik has been talking to Jonas about being an heir. [08:17:09] humanity is a child [08:17:11] Harvey: I know. [08:17:16] then we should grow up [08:17:21] we can't [08:17:23] And you know that neither Erik nor Jonas are idiots. [08:17:25] why not? [08:17:27] Malliki: then, from his perspective, what's the logical thing to do? [08:17:30] psychologically and biologically we can [08:17:31] cant [08:17:31] I will retract all complaints at this time and support Scott as Kaiser. [08:17:35] why not? [08:17:42] Er, wait what? [08:17:47] No, scratch that question. [08:17:53] confused as to how a revolt supporting erik_mortis has already backfired [08:17:58] Okay. I'm okay with this. Just taking it and running with it. [08:18:00] Is the position as Duke of Musica still offered? [08:18:09] erik_mortis: Yar [08:18:16] maybe a few can but collectively we cant and the evidence is in favor or that [08:18:17] I will accept it if offered. [08:18:22] goodies [08:18:26] Bjorn_olsen: it's madness. MADNESS. [08:18:26] I will return tomorrow. [08:18:33] if enough people do it individually, then the whole will change [08:18:34] I'll just start posting and make no fuss. [08:18:42] we need to stop believing in Santa Claus [08:18:43] erik_mortis: Sounds good [08:19:02] Harvey: thinks i'll visit shireroth more often atm [08:19:15] <***harvey is left scratching his head.***> [08:19:21] ultimately science is interesting and asuming [08:19:25] Harvey: What the fuck happened? [08:19:30] but it isnt a system by which you can live life by [08:19:35] Malliki: you don't know! I thought you knew! [08:19:35] it isnt a social or political philosophy [08:19:42] it isnt a self improvement philosophy [08:19:45] I have no clue! [08:19:45] you can develop philosophy from it [08:19:48] Maybe his painkillers kicked in. [08:19:51] the advantage of pre modern systems is that they were holistic [08:19:56] you can say that the evidence shows that doing a particular thing is bad [08:20:02] Scott: YOU'RE WELCOME. Somehow. [08:20:06] mightest and most scientific is indian philosophy [08:20:09] I have no pain killers... I'm still in much pain. [08:20:15] for example, the Stern Father versus Nurturing Parent [08:20:25] erik_mortis: perhaps you should do something about that. [08:20:27] erik_mortis: What happened that made you change your mind? [08:20:31] tradition has been that the Stern Father is better [08:20:34] tough love [08:20:44] tradition is never wrong [08:20:56] but studies have shown that the children of nurturing parents are less prone to psychological disorder [08:21:03] Balance was imposed on the plan. [08:21:07] there is a different time for different things [08:21:13] erik_mortis: Meaning? [08:21:16] sometimes one should be stern and sometimes nurturing [08:21:16] come on [08:21:34] It must be the influence of the second foundation. [08:21:37] <***harvey nods sagely.***> [08:21:44] Aryaman: How the fuck can you say that tradition is never wrong? [08:21:47] the evidence is there [08:21:55] the tradition is psychologically damaging [08:22:00] therefore, you stop that tradition [08:22:06] Aryaman: Are you living in a tree? [08:22:12] that is how science can be used to develop a philosophy [08:22:20] you determine what doesn't work and what does work [08:22:38] and then you advocate what works [08:23:07] the problem with tradition is that it's based off of non-scientific evidence [08:23:08] If Jonas offers me the throne, I will not decline it. But I will not sabotage this endeavor. [08:23:16] which can easily lead to the wrong answers [08:23:24] just making that clear. [08:23:43] how long has Jonas been kaiser? [08:23:48] i can say tradition is usually never wrong [08:23:49] erik_mortis: technically, he still might. We've delivered a message asking him to abdicate, but we haven't implied in any way who we want the next heir to be. [08:23:55] because it is based on the collective wisdom of generations [08:24:05] *nods* [08:24:07] but people can still believe the wrong thing for long periods of time [08:24:07] Honestly I find this the shakiest part of the plan, because who knows what name that guy will pick... [08:24:08] things that have worked or proved useful for society have been kept [08:24:11] like that the Earth is flat [08:24:12] therefore they persist [08:24:18] and are good [08:24:24] But, well, I lost control, so here we are. [08:24:31] Aryaman: So you do live in a tree? [08:24:33] generations can say that the earth is flat, and then one day somebody makes the necessary observations, and suddenly, the world is round [08:24:34] and im only talking about non physical tradition [08:24:35] Yeah.. that's how these things go. [08:24:56] erik_mortis: Harvey: Malliki: how long as Jonas been kaiser? [08:24:56] I'm just saying in ethical social political matters tradition over innovation [08:25:07] Chrimigules: since December 23rd. [08:25:08] i would call my philosophy Traditionalism [08:25:12] so less than 2 months [08:25:20] okie dokie [08:25:25] Chrimigules: Problem is he sucks at it [08:25:41] yeah, I noticed that people seem to think that [08:25:46] Answer that bloody question like 3 times a day... [08:25:57] sorry sorry [08:26:00] I didn't see it last time [08:26:07] I don't read every line [08:26:10] I'm not Scott [08:26:21] He'll have some words for you later for that comment. [08:26:26] probably [08:26:29] freakish lizard man [08:26:35] Chrimigules, what you should do is read philosophy and religion with an open mind [08:26:36] he'll probably try to eat my eyeballs [08:26:40] actually read the works [08:26:43] I do [08:26:43] and then decide about it [08:26:49] an open mind doesn't mean an uncritical mind [08:26:58] Malliki: sure is nice living in these trees Y/N [08:27:03] have you read anything eastern in your life [08:27:09] Harvey: I loves it [08:27:13] actually [08:27:14] Y [08:27:14] yes [08:27:26] when I was in Germany, I swiped a copy of the Teachings of Buddha from my hotel room [08:27:29] it was printed in Japan [08:27:55] Harvey: I would not be surprised if Jonas gives the throne to someone from Kildare just to fuck with us. [08:28:11] it was like Gideon's Bible [08:28:16] everybody steals Gideon's bible [08:28:21] Malliki: shouldn't we come up with some sort of plan to try to influence this decision somewhat? I don't like doing all this blind. [08:28:24] oh that shit [08:28:33] that's propoganda from a sect called Sokka Gakkai probably [08:28:40] oooh [08:28:43] they're a sect [08:28:47] dun dun dun [08:28:52] XD [08:28:59] Harvey: Hehe, that's the fun part. [08:29:01] I'm getting the feeling Chris isn't taking this conversation seriously anymore. [08:29:07] i mean its just a collection of their works with their group bias [08:29:08] oh I am [08:29:14] it wasnt the original saying s of Buddha [08:29:24] I just find it funny that Akhichan talks about how eastern philosophy should be read with an open mind [08:29:27] Harvey: Conversation jumped the shark at men in trees remark Y/N [08:29:31] and then I mention one, and he gets sectarian on my ass [08:29:47] ... [08:29:54] Malliki: I think, if we had been paying closer attention, it would have jumped it way before then. [08:29:56] well, you did [08:29:57] its like reading the Mormon book [08:30:04] the Book of Mormon is hilarious [08:30:05] Harvey: True [08:30:11] I mean the Bible = the Dhamapadda [08:30:26] I wanna read the Book of Morons [08:30:26] the Book of Mormon = what you read [08:30:28] dark skin is the mark given to indicate those who refused to fight on God's side [08:30:37] according to the Book of Mormon [08:30:47] you should read the Bhagavad Gita [08:30:55] and, of course, the ones who did serve on God's side in the war against Satan became light skinned [08:31:06] the Book of Mormon is hilarious [08:31:17] it's like some sort of deadpan comedy [08:31:28] the Teachings of Buddha, though [08:31:31] not amusing at all [08:31:36] it was quite dull [08:31:43] (09:28:58) Chrimigules: the Book of Mormon is hilarious [08:31:43] (09:30:00) Chrimigules: the Book of Mormon is hilarious [08:31:47] I sees a pattern... [08:31:51] well it is [08:31:53] like I said you should read the teachings of Buddha in his own words [08:31:58] aka the Dhammapadda and the Tripitika [08:32:05] hey, I grabbed what I could grab [08:32:08] Well it is [08:32:16] surely you can find it online or in a bookstore [08:32:19] I grabbed it mostly for the novelty of being a Buddhist text [08:32:29] hey I once posted the creation story in the Rig Veda and you thought it was amzing [08:32:30] in Antica [08:32:31] usually they only put Christian propaganda in hotel drawers [08:32:36] Chrimigules: you always grab, you never think! [08:32:40] Chrimigules: Just dare to stand up for yourself. Tell him no! [08:32:50] I am not Yardistani! [08:32:53] it was a good find! [08:32:58] it was not some random pedistal! [08:32:58] Actions prove otherwise! [08:32:59] I have a Book of Mormon.. [08:33:09] erik_mortis: Is it hilarious? [08:33:13] Those bastards still have some of my chairs [08:33:26] I grabbed it for the novelty [08:33:34] it was a Buddhist text in a hotel [08:33:36] I never saw that before [08:33:50] It is.. [08:34:08] :P [08:34:09] Akhichan, are you proud to be a New Yorker when the Book of Mormon is mentioned? [08:34:21] anyhoo I'm off... pain and a desire to be with my gf.. [08:34:40] #micronations consensus: the Book of Mormon is hilarious. [08:34:47] And.... don't go out of your way to tell Scott I got pissed... I would appreciate it.. [08:34:47] Harvey: Which name am I most tied to now? Mike Fors, Malliki or Tosha? [08:34:53] im neither proud nor ashamed [08:34:55] erik_mortis: No probs [08:34:59] Malliki: Malliki [08:35:00] thanks. [08:35:02] LI and upstate NY are different [08:35:02] later! [08:35:16] Harvey: Good. I'm thinking about changing my name to Malliki Somethingelse [08:35:25] erik_mortis: he'll find out, but we'll... um... lie anyway, I guess. [08:35:26] and besides, i feel no connection to NY before the 1980s my family has no history in this country before then [08:35:38] but you grew up here [08:35:38] Malliki Treehouse? Because that's where you live, you know. [08:35:43] didn't you? [08:35:59] I might be a first generationer too, but I still feel like a New Yorker [08:36:02] i was born and grew up on LI [08:36:08] Harvey: No, a natural feature. Tosha means shallow, rocky creek [08:36:10] i feel like a modern new yorker [08:36:19] but not like one from the 1800s [08:36:22] Aryaman: go slap Bill for me. I think I still have his address. [08:36:25] true [08:36:30] but it's New York's legacy [08:36:36] where does bill live? [08:36:42] Queens? [08:36:43] Long Island [08:36:46] somewhere around there [08:36:49] oh is he a student [08:36:55] Yes he is [08:36:56] I think he lives with his parents [08:37:11] Yep. They're cooler than he is. [08:37:12] hm i dont know much about him [08:37:17] Chrimigules: Of course he does. Can you really picture Bill living on his own? [08:37:28] Malliki: not really. What does Tosha come from? [08:37:36] Chrimigules: Lakhesian [08:37:47] well, Palmyra is West New York, which is culturally distinct from East New York [08:37:51] they're crazy in the West [08:37:58]<**erik_mortis quit #micronations "" **> [08:38:32] according to the 36-state plan, they'd be a separate state [08:38:58] I still think that plan has potential [08:38:59] the cultural distinctions in the US aren't too big though [08:39:04] people from all over get along just fine [08:39:09] true [08:39:10] sort of [08:39:13] they share a common language mostly and common pop culture [08:39:13] a little... [08:39:15] hence all the gang violence [08:39:20] yay gang violence [08:39:27] the cultural distinctions in europe and asia are much greater [08:39:30] being more ancient [08:39:31] Can't get enough of that gang violence. [08:39:38] well, just let America age a bit [08:39:46] and yet, we don't kill each other nearly as much as you Americans do. [08:39:47] it wont survive the century [08:39:49] the dialects are already growing in different directions [08:40:01] malliki might I remind you your ancestors were the barbarian vikings [08:40:05] apparently Californian English is turning incoherent or something [08:40:26] that sounds racist, Akhichan [08:40:29] are you being racist? [08:40:30] Aryaman: And I care because? We are talking about the present. And they mainly got a bad wrap. [08:40:32] not at all [08:40:39] well then quit sounding racist [08:40:44] yeah they did get a worse rap than they should have [08:40:52] but they still murdered, pillaged, and plundered [08:40:59] Hey, vikings are cool. [08:41:01] they still terrorized coastal europe [08:41:03] it's a common pasttime [08:41:20] of course the past mattesr because the past leads to the present [08:41:21] killing, maiming [08:41:24] good stuff [08:41:28] people are the products of the past [08:41:32] Aryaman: And the white men that came to America had dinner with the natives and lived happily ever after. [08:41:37] and one's ancestors are their roots [08:41:39] o_O [08:41:42] Well it's harder to draw complete pictures of the present by studying the past than it is by studying the present. [08:41:52] well the white men should have never come to america [08:41:53] Aryaman: And the untouchables in India had happy lives. [08:42:02] too late [08:42:13] untouchability is a stain on india as well [08:42:16] America is White Man's country now, y'all hear me? [08:42:29] let's see THAT last the century... [08:42:31] not for long. by 2050, whites will no longer be the majority [08:42:39] but we'll still be the biggest group [08:42:42] Malliki: if I didn't know better, I'd say you were being sarcasic! [08:42:43] plurality is still something [08:42:54] Harvey: What ever do you mean my good Sir? [08:43:04] yeah [08:43:22] a country needs sometime to bind it together [08:43:24] common bonds [08:43:25] We should make racial mixing mandatory. [08:43:31] Malliki: nothing more than my imagination, old chap. [08:43:31] a multicultural country can't exists [08:43:46] multicultural countries can exist. Just... carefully [08:43:48] like China [08:43:53] well... [08:43:55] Chrimigules: Switzerland [08:43:55] America's doin' okay. [08:43:59] the han are 91% [08:44:00] I'm sure white folk would love to have a multicultural nation like China [08:44:11] 52 ethnicities, and none of them matter [08:44:16] i like switzerland [08:44:25] switzerland does seem like fun [08:44:29] its one of my favorite european countries [08:44:32] but apparently their German is incomprehensible [08:44:51] to normal people, at least [08:44:56] more beatiful than the buttocks of a virgin. [08:44:57] Malliki: we take full credit for getting Erik on board Y/N [08:45:04] YY [08:45:05] o_O [08:45:10] Cheers [08:45:11] Malliki: interesting analogy [08:45:19] Chrimigules: Like it? [08:45:23] sure [08:45:25] can I steal it? [08:45:27] I like it a lot. [08:45:29] sures [08:45:34] it'd be the perfect thing for a pervert to say [08:45:40] Chrimigules: more grabbing? [08:45:44] It's a fake Corey quote [08:45:45] not me [08:45:47] ah [08:45:54] I'll have to have a character named after him say it, then [08:45:57] ... uh. In the context of the saying, perhaps not the best thing for me to say. [08:46:18] Chrimigules: Were you here for my totally inappropriate 9/11 joke? [08:46:25] do tell [08:46:28] I sure wasn't. [08:46:30] <***chrimigules sits down for story time***> [08:46:34] by the way, do conversations here get saved? [08:46:41] <***chrimigules logs EVERYTHING***> [08:46:43] so does hallo [08:46:43] hallo is here, so yeah [08:46:43] : "is" not defined. Try "/msg hallo help commands" for a list of commands. [08:46:43] Aryaman: yar [08:46:48] oh shut up, hallo [08:46:54] hallo pyrayo [08:46:54] : Error occured. Try "/msg hallo help" [08:46:56] who the fuck is that [08:47:01] hallo pyrayo 3 [08:47:01] : yo [08:47:03] : yoyo [08:47:03] : yoyoyo [08:47:03] : [08:47:07] that's hallo [08:47:15] it's Spangle's lovebot [08:47:22] yes who [08:47:23] ah [08:47:24] Hallo join the list of people that think Aryaman is pretty much full of it. [08:47:26] hallo, Join the club of Shutting the Fuck Up [08:47:26] : "," not defined. Try "/msg hallo help commands" for a list of commands. [08:47:36] oh fuck it [08:47:41] hallo join the club of stfu [08:47:41] : Joined the club of stfu. [08:47:42] no commas, Malliki [08:47:48] So, story? [08:47:52] yes please [08:47:55] Chrimigules: So, what do you call the 3000 people that were killed in the World Trade Center? [08:47:58] Yeah, get on with it. [08:48:00] what? [08:48:05] lol full of what [08:48:16] 3000 down, 299 997 000 to go. [08:48:18] Akhichan, full of uh... energy [08:48:22] OH SHI-- [08:48:30] Grim [08:48:31] very nice, Malliki [08:48:36] ty [08:48:39] yours? [08:48:42] yep [08:48:47] very nice [08:48:54] dead baby humor is the best [08:48:55] I thought so yes [08:49:09] Is that vintage Malliki? [08:49:16] Err, he just asked that. [08:49:20] why are you calling my Akhichan [08:49:21] Clearly I'm beginning to finally lose it. [08:49:30] because I enjoy calling you Akhichan, Akhichan [08:49:45] makes me sound like a cute anime character [08:49:50] precisely [08:50:03] okay Chris kun [08:50:04] ^_____^ [08:50:14] ._______________________. [08:50:18] I think Akhichan sounds better than Chriskun [08:50:31] hmmm [08:50:31] have you ever been to an anime convention? [08:50:41] oh gods... [08:50:44] according to behindthename.com, Aki has four meanings [08:50:47] all female names [08:50:47] is this gonna get furry? [08:50:55] Sparkle, Bright, Autumn, and Asian Hope [08:51:00] well my name is Akhilesh you know [08:51:10] http://www.behindthename.com/php/search.php?nmd=n&terms=aki&submit=Go [08:51:19] I think I'll go with Asian Hope if I ever need to do kanji for you [08:51:20] it means lord of the universe in sanskrit [08:51:32] SUGGESTIONS FOR NEW NAME INSTEAD OF TOSHA! Has to be of the format CVCV [08:51:40] Kaka [08:51:57] Chrimigules: You know my answer to that one [08:52:02] kekekekeke? [08:52:08] Faq [08:52:10] come on, do the Korean [08:52:12] the vowels can't be the same [08:52:19] Keki [08:52:27] and no e :P [08:52:34] isnt ur real name Michael Fors [08:52:36] what kind of gay language is this? [08:52:40] Aryaman: So? [08:52:48] that reminds me, I need to get back to my conlang [08:52:48] just wondering [08:52:51] Chrimigules: You're gay [08:53:09] so what does Tosha mean [08:53:10] I've been working on orthography [08:53:17] but the problem is that I have three Rs and only one [08:53:19] Aryaman: shallow, rocky creek [08:53:30] The shallow part fits. [08:53:41] Aryaman: Pretty much the same as my RL surname [08:53:47] Harvey: Hararar [08:53:54] http://nafticon.org/cmgm/phonology.html still needs work... [08:54:07] I don't want to have to rely on diacritics for the Rs [08:54:13] Teehee [08:54:14] but I may have to [08:54:32] Chrimigules: R/Rh/Rx? [08:54:38] nah, that's lame [08:54:51] thats why you should just use your own script [08:54:54] plus, I might need those for actual consonant clusters or something [08:54:55] R/Rr/Rrr? [08:55:01] gemination [08:55:21] What's gemination? [08:55:21] Oh Lord help me, we're slipping into lingustics. [08:55:22] again? [08:55:27] it's a long consonant [08:55:32] atta versus ata [08:55:43] well, you can't make the R tap long anyway so [08:55:49] true [08:55:55] but the trills can go on forever [08:56:02] at least until you need to breathe in again [08:56:25] so don't mark the difference between the trills then :P [08:56:28] Rr for both [08:56:31] but maybe I wanna [08:56:34] no! [08:56:37] they must be distinct! [08:56:39] yes! [08:56:40] no! [08:56:43] yes! [08:56:45] no! [08:56:47] yes! [08:56:52] double no! [08:56:52] don't make me add a third H [08:57:15] 3 rs is a lot [08:57:22] yup ^_____^ [08:57:22] Gunna be sick here. [08:57:24] <***malliki needs to make a table for Lakhesian***> [08:57:30] I was almost not going to have an L at all [08:57:36] just three Rs [08:57:52] but I eventually relented when I decided it'll be palatalized in certain contexts [08:57:59] to keep it from being normal [08:58:14] Aryaman: Retroflex consonants in Lakhesian Y/N [08:58:14] I have a palatalized l in Aryezi [08:58:25] is it the only L, though? [08:58:25] Y? [08:58:30] goodies [08:58:31] or does it contrast with non-palatalized L? [08:58:40] I want them since Swedish has them, but not English [08:59:07] hmmm [08:59:14] retroflex consonants sound nice [08:59:29] I could always make the alveolopalatal fricative into a straight palatal fricative... [08:59:37] ^_____^ [08:59:40] I missed conlanging... [08:59:48] Sometimes I wonder if all these BS linguistic terms really are nonsense and you're all just fucking with me. [08:59:56] and you'll never know [09:00:03] I mean, alveolopalatal fricatives? Fuck that. [09:00:11] they're actually quite popular [09:00:24] the Slavic languages have it, Chinese has it, etc [09:00:26] Oh, I'd imagine so. [09:00:36] they're just not popular in Western Europe [09:01:44] sanskrit had it too [09:01:52] but in modern indic languages it just became /S/ [09:01:56] yeah well, sanskrit's dead [09:02:06] and obviously the modern indic languages got lame for getting rid of it [09:02:08] actually it isn't dead [09:02:20] sure it is [09:02:23] I just said it's dead [09:02:27] theres a village where people speak it [09:02:48] case closed [09:03:21] well, those people need to get a life [09:03:33] that's as ludicrous as an entire country speaking Latin [09:03:36] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mattur [09:03:37] ...wait... [09:03:56] no its like a living spoken language in a village [09:03:58] so its alive [09:04:21] weirdos [09:04:32] that's worse than Colonial Williamsburg [09:04:46] ... [09:05:03] well, not really [09:05:06] I suppose it's the same thing [09:05:07] in a huge country will millions of villages [09:05:19] something is bound to happen somewhere or the other [09:05:25] true [09:05:27] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYwbposPsUI [09:05:31] LOVE IT!!! [09:05:31] aramaic still survives too [09:05:35] but speaking an otherwise 5000-year old dead language is kinda weird [09:05:46] well its not dead [09:05:53] it's deadish [09:06:06] and in fact unlike latin which became stiff, sanskrit stayed flexible [09:06:24] it was used in almost all administrative and literary writing in India for thousands of years [09:06:28] and is used in prayer and ritual still [09:06:32] so was Latin [09:06:40] so to me its living [09:06:41] Malliki: why do the Japanese play hockey? [09:06:42] you can't understand [09:06:44] you're not Indian [09:06:49] racist! [09:06:54] quit pulling the race card [09:06:58] Chrimigules: They're Wapanese, who gives? [09:07:00] its not a race card [09:07:12] you're saying I can't understand because I'm not Indian [09:07:17] you just don't have the background to empatize or understand [09:07:28] you're from Long Island! [09:07:29] I don't know how an Italian thinks [09:07:33] they think? [09:07:42] Cause the rest of the world are stupid and India so unique [09:07:46] so I can't say I understand an Italian person's sentiments towards an issue [09:07:51] oh lay off, Malliki [09:08:03] Akhichan, best thing to assume when dealing with Italians is that they don't think [09:08:04] oh everyone is unique [09:08:04] or else they'd change their diet [09:08:17] Chrimigules: Pah, am I wrong? [09:08:25] which is why Europe and India and China are not the same [09:08:28] It's not a race card, it's an ethnicity card. [09:08:41] so? [09:08:54] we're all unique are quite frankly its racist to just view things from your own cultural perspective [09:09:02] everyone complains about the race card in America [09:09:07] I might as well get my shot [09:09:10] its like putting yourself in a bubble [09:09:18] Aryaman: How can I not look at things from my own cultural perspective? [09:09:21] That is not racist. [09:09:31] you can but you can try to put yourself in others shoes [09:09:38] and realize other people look at things differently [09:09:42] that's called empathy [09:09:50] I thought you disagreed with empathy [09:10:01] I like it [09:10:06] I find it weird enough that Russians consider light blue and dark blue to be separate colors [09:10:29] why weird [09:10:31] Two truths I've learned in life: 1) Everyone thinks their problems and difficulties are so unique and they're so misunderstood. 2) Everyone's problems and difficulties are basically the same. [09:10:36] because they're light blue and dark blue [09:10:36] Aryaman: Of course people look at things differently. Sometimes I think they look at things in a stupid way. [09:10:38] they're both blue [09:10:44] the russians don't consider them to even be both blue [09:10:44] you can consider it amusing, but weird adds a negative connotation to it [09:10:53] like they're something wrong with them [09:10:56] well, Russians are pretty weird [09:11:17] and being 1/4 Russian, I can make that case [09:11:22] they're freaking nuts [09:11:25] they probably think Americans are pretty weird no? [09:11:32] I'm not russian at all, and I think they're pretty weird too [09:11:44] yeah, but they beat you flat [09:11:46] you Swedes [09:11:48] Aryaman: So? Of course they do. ALL PEOPLE ARE WEIRD TO OTHER PEOPLE [09:11:52] 40,000 Swedes go in, 300 come out [09:12:06] Malliki: you're weird to me. [09:12:14] Malliki licks eyeballs. He's weird to everyone. [09:12:15] Harvey: You're even weirded [09:12:19] *weirder [09:12:23] Chrimigules: That is true. [09:12:26] I see differnet people as a chance to learn about them [09:12:27] Wow, what a weird typo. Sooo weird... [09:12:27] and their culture [09:12:36] Akhichan, I'm being facetious [09:12:41] Aryaman: That's cute [09:12:43] we really need to reinstate green = sarcastic [09:12:51] maybe Steven had a point [09:13:00] How would it work in IRC? [09:13:04] Steven [09:13:05] damned if I know [09:13:06] ? [09:13:11] MAYBE TALKING IN ICEBREAKER COULD WORK? [09:13:24] yeah, back in the Dinarchy, he insisted that we start posting our sarcastic comments marked green so that he could tell [09:13:31] steven is weird [09:13:33] Harvey: Would it be weird for guys that like fucking little boys to move to that tribe in New Guinea where it's a rite of passage? [09:13:40] I thought weird means a negative connotation [09:13:51] his hygiene has improved, I have to give him that [09:13:58] lol [09:14:01] Malliki: I don't think I have a comment on that. [09:14:01] did you meet him recently? [09:14:09] he was fired from Cozy (??) for bad hygiene [09:14:13] and he was a cashier [09:14:16] Harvey: Okies [09:14:25] I saw him over Christmas break [09:14:31] I think... [09:14:33] or Thanksgiving break [09:14:38] he was relatively clean [09:14:41] I would say his ideology has shifted [09:14:45] Harvey: Do I have to like that cultural thing cos it's cultural? [09:14:45] since when I first knew him [09:14:47] again? [09:14:53] has he returned to Maosim? [09:14:56] *Maoism [09:15:03] please say yes, he was funnier then [09:15:04] you didnt talk to him about such things [09:15:07] hes more like a neo con [09:15:10] ah damn [09:15:12] still crazy, then [09:15:27] the people he hangs out with seem like Nazis [09:15:29] Chrimigules: So Maoists are not crazy? [09:15:35] Maoists are fun crazy [09:15:37] I seem like a Nazi too sometimes but I hang out with normal people [09:15:39] they're Wacky [09:15:41] Malliki: people get away with murder if they call it culture. Literally. [09:15:50] Harvey: True [09:15:54] well, at least you don't correct people's spelling, Akhichan [09:16:00] Also, I'm tired and fading fast, so I'm just gunna call it and hit the bed. [09:16:06] eh? Nan desu ka? [09:16:07] WEAK [09:16:10] Harvey: But apparently it's racist to judge other peoples' cultures [09:16:19] eeeeeeeh? [09:16:36] don't turn this into a weeabo hangout plz [09:16:36] Malliki: that's probably a cheap shot against Aryaman somehow, and I approve. Fight the good fight. [09:16:51] well Asian culture is superior [09:16:53] hands down [09:16:57] o_O [09:17:00] racist [09:17:07] Yeah okay, there's no way I can leave with that on the table... [09:17:12] Aryaman: I generally think that Asian culture can fuck off [09:17:19] European culture is better than African culture though [09:17:32] just remember [09:17:38] lol PC is overrated [09:17:41] before Europe got a stick up its ass about being superior [09:17:48] Asian culture is a mixture of worthless of self and oppression to the point of suicide. [09:17:51] Europeans called East Asians white [09:18:15] East Asians only became yellow in order to distinguish them from Europeans in the 18th Century [09:18:25] or so [09:18:41] but that was also back when they thought that civilization made you white [09:18:43] Heterosexuality was considered a sickness [09:19:06] which was a traditional opinion, so it must've been correct [09:19:12] :D [09:19:13] Chrimigules: Ofc [09:19:23] And back to treehouses, I see. [09:19:35] out ye from ye tree [09:19:35] I can safely sneak off now. [09:19:47] Asian culture is neither oppressive nor worthless. in fact it teaches dignity and discipline. european culture is suicidal and only such a culture can lack respect of life and lead to WWII [09:20:14] Aryaman: Did the Japanese invade China using cunning arguments? [09:20:20] Chrimigules: is this what Antica has dealt with for a couple years? [09:20:22] lalz [09:20:29] the Japanese actually wanted to strengthen China [09:20:38] What. [09:20:38] so together they could fight the West [09:20:38] I don't think the Chinese see it that way [09:20:58] Aryaman: The West that Japan was allied with? [09:21:07] the true spirit of the west was in Germany [09:21:11] Anglo-Japanese Allaince? [09:21:15] *Alliance [09:21:17] that was the noble sprit of the West [09:21:21] Britian and Germany [09:21:25] in the 19th century [09:21:27] noble nations [09:21:30] i admire them [09:21:34] o_O [09:21:38] but then they became weak and cowardly in modern times [09:21:39] O_o [09:21:46] you know [09:21:51] that noble spirit is what caused the world wars [09:21:52] Really? Cuz I kind of remember them fighting a lot of pretty shitty wars [09:22:03] And, like, nazis and stuff. I'm pretty sure there were nazis involved. [09:22:05] and they're weak and cowardly because they learned their lesson [09:22:07] You're bright / you're strong / you know your right from wrong / at least to some degree [09:22:18] ARI [09:22:21] I also remember the British oppressing half the world or something... [09:22:26] the Finn graces us with his presence [09:22:36] the strong are to be admired [09:22:43] Chrimigules: sup [09:22:44] why? [09:22:49] why should the strong be admired? [09:22:51] Aryaman: You like Nietsche, right? [09:22:52] what about thugs? [09:22:58] should thugs be admired? they're strong [09:22:59] they aren't strong [09:23:03] Aryaman: then why do you have such low respect for America? [09:23:06] strong in all aspects [09:23:16] I have a love hate relationship with America [09:23:23] i admire its power [09:23:26] but not its culture [09:23:30] hm I wonder if that makes sense [09:23:33] Germany was ironically one of the most reactionary, backward-looking of the European nations at the end of the 19th Century [09:23:40] yes [09:23:44] I'm currently reading a book about the Kaiser's Army [09:23:46] It does, if you forget that you really only see the best of what other people's cultures want you to see. [09:23:46] Aryaman: Dude, you stopped making sense like two months ago. [09:23:46] very fascinating [09:23:50] they were marching backwards into the future [09:23:55] so I made sense before that [09:24:07] Malliki: you walked into that one. [09:24:11] Aryaman: Only because I hadn't read any of what you wrote. [09:24:12] ah! [09:24:14] he got ya [09:24:22] ah [09:24:27] I ve actually begun to shift from center right to far right [09:24:32] in the last couple of months [09:24:34] well quit it [09:24:34] no shit? [09:24:38] stay off the fringe [09:24:49] its not like i want to be there [09:24:55] well then don't be [09:24:56] just the things i read seem to push me in that direction [09:25:03] quit reading it then [09:25:30] read some self-help books or something [09:25:38] they make you feel nice and fluffy about being human [09:26:05] which explains my new mysticism burst [09:26:12] well, it's still not working [09:26:17] ultimately and ironically [09:26:20] the question is [09:26:26] do I want to be a nietzschian [09:26:28] no [09:26:32] or one who values ethics [09:26:33] That's the question? [09:26:39] I was hoping for something a bit more meaningful. [09:26:45] I am very disapoint. [09:26:46] I mean in personality [09:26:48] didn't Nietsche try to screw his sister or something? [09:26:51] do I want a master-slave ideology [09:26:56] no [09:26:58] or one that believes in peace and harmony [09:27:03] sure [09:27:06] that is an internal thing I have to solve for myself [09:27:21] if there's anything common about humanity, it's that people don't like being the slave [09:27:30] but people like being the master [09:27:41] Aryaman: Stop sounding like a Nazi [09:27:42] you can't have a society of masters [09:27:57] and honestly, I'm pretty happy not thirsting for power [09:28:09] power is messy [09:28:25] well often I do want to go into a forest and leave society [09:28:38] society gave you everything you have today [09:28:42] be thankful or something [09:28:59] Chrimigules: Why can't I be attracted to a hobby that involves more normal people? [09:29:10] dunno [09:29:19] because normal people are dull? [09:29:20] I should convert to Christianity or something lol [09:29:24] oh hell no [09:29:27] please don't [09:29:31] there are enough of those [09:29:31] i was kidding [09:29:33] Aryaman: Oh for fuck's sake... [09:29:49] besides, if you're going to convert to a religion, convert to one with an internally consistent theology [09:29:52] Chrimigules: Everyone is either an emo or some weird political freak [09:29:56] I do admire many of its values though, but I'm more attracted to Hinduism [09:30:19] hell, Islam makes more sense, and the Quran advocates pedophilia [09:30:41] Chrimigules: Emos: Erik, Corey, Ric, Chogall, Harvey etc. [09:30:48] which category am I? [09:30:54] I'm not exactly emo [09:30:56] Chrimigules: Neutral [09:30:59] woot [09:31:03] and you? [09:31:04] <***harvey is emo.***> [09:31:05] you're definitely emo [09:31:16] Chrimigules: Oh fuck you. In what way? [09:31:32] I've noticed Malliki and Scott are very alike [09:31:33] Do I complain about how people blame me for shit all the time, and that they don't like me, and blah blah [09:31:33] because you react like that [09:32:03] you know [09:32:05] An emo does it to seek sympathy [09:32:10] having my finger cut off would hurt [09:32:21] I do it because it reflects the blackness in my heart. [09:32:29] Would you guys like to hear some of my poetry? [09:32:32] NO [09:32:38] Harvey: Sure [09:32:41] NO [09:32:41] Yeah, I expected that answer... [09:32:42] NO NO [09:32:45] DO NOT WANT [09:32:50] Here is my poetry [09:32:51] sure [09:32:57] dammit, out voted [09:33:03] Now it's winter. [09:33:04] Soon it will be spring. [09:33:06] poetry is beautiful [09:33:08] I don't actually have any fucking poetry. [09:33:19] beauty is in the eye of the beholder [09:33:22] But my heart is black. [09:33:29] Poetry is for fags and emos. [09:33:33] I still like my foray into poetry [09:33:55] On the bus to class today, [09:33:56] While the other mimed crushing [09:33:56] There were two people sitting. [09:33:56] One of them repeated the phrase, [09:33:56] Something in their hand. [09:33:56] "Over Nine Thousand!" [09:33:56] which had ears on them. [09:33:56] I was tempted to say, [09:33:56] "What Nine Thousand!?" [09:33:56] But they were wearing hats, [09:34:10] I'm practically Shakespeare [09:34:22] <***malliki claps***> [09:34:35] wow [09:34:48] the goal of my poetry (dramatic pause) is to capture the mundane [09:34:56] very zen [09:35:16] ...? [09:35:18] So, name suggestions ppl [09:35:25] uh [09:35:30] Is the "I'm practically Shakespeare" part of the poem? [09:35:32] Kuki [09:35:32] Malliki Emo. It even fits vcv! [09:35:34] a lot of the zen poetry we read in class also captured the mundane [09:35:35] Because it totally needs to be [09:35:46] Harvey: CVCV, so you fail [09:35:49] not originally, but if it will make you happy [09:36:00] Himo? [09:36:06] it's like Emo, but with an H [09:36:07] Chrimigules: Hmm... don't want a name with "kuk" in it... [09:36:29] haha.. [09:36:33] I loves teh poetry [09:36:46] Chremogules: quit being so weeaboo! [09:36:49] you must reject it! [09:37:16] Chrimigules: I agree. Stop liking Pokemon [09:37:27] I can't help it [09:37:30] mudkips are so good [09:37:41] Oh gods [09:37:47] If only the snow/Would melt away and form water/ I would be happy [09:38:00] Akhichan, what's wrong with snow [09:38:05] I like snow [09:38:12] is that poetry? [09:38:18] looks Haikuy [09:38:36] Third line has eight syllables. [09:38:38] But isn't the ending of a haiku supposed to be surprising? [09:38:50] I find liking snow going away surprising [09:38:57] not me [09:38:58] the third line has 5 [09:39:07] well, you're weird, Malliki [09:39:17] this is already established [09:39:18] Second line has eight syllables. Also, I thought I was going to bed. [09:39:30] funny how that happens, right? [09:39:35] ah, I'll change it to Would melt away and fade [09:39:37] it's how 12:00am becomes 4:38am [09:39:49] I am sitting here / on my chair / typing some shit in IRC [09:40:09] Cheese [09:40:11] Would melt away and fade has six syllables >_> [09:40:11] <***chrimigules bows***> [09:40:51] ah shit you're right again [09:41:07] would melt into blue water! [09:41:08] Wasted evening now / All this time on IRC / God damn it - it's late. [09:41:18] you know what I hate? [09:41:22] <***malliki claps***> [09:41:28] Poetry man, it's fucking awesome [09:41:33] receiving my daily NY Times email before I go to sleep [09:41:52] because it means that I officially am being an insomniac [09:41:59] Time to watch a show/Anime makes me happy/ My heart leaps in joy [09:42:10] and I never got to watch Ran! [09:42:12] grrr [09:42:13] <***chrimigules grrrs***> [09:42:17] Ran? [09:42:19] yeah [09:42:20] oh gods... [09:42:22] Akira Kurosawa [09:42:24] I've gotten into Nodame Cantabile recently [09:42:30] what's that? [09:42:35] a orchestra show [09:42:36] that's not like Code Gease, is it? [09:42:55] now its about a couple who work hard in music to become great performers [09:43:03] good [09:43:07] stop watching Code Gease [09:43:25] i finished it years ago [09:43:46] good [09:43:48] don't look back [09:43:52] (now that I look up Ran, it seems familiar) but why would you want me to stop watchin Geass [09:43:56] it is the greatest show [09:44:02] it sucks, for one [09:44:08] at least the 1st season [09:44:42] anyhow, i watch a variety of anime from different genres [09:44:52] have you seen School Days [09:44:59] i used to light shonen/seinen in the begining but now i like all [09:45:02] school days is crazy shit man [09:45:04] crazy [09:45:07] crazy ending [09:45:11] nice boat [09:45:21] ... [09:45:24] we're showing it anime club now [09:45:31] ha [09:45:34] the ending is so twisted [09:45:36] you should watch umineko [09:45:40] a good murder mystery [09:45:43] but pretty fucked up [09:45:55] oh god [09:45:57] not anime [09:45:57] Malliki: if Bill were here, he'd go rapid Y/N [09:46:02] *rabid [09:46:05] Y [09:46:11] Anime is the true source of life [09:46:27] Pikachu made the universe [09:46:28] Aryaman: In the same way that shit is the source of bad smell, sure [09:46:32] and that statement would make Bill to start bleeding out of his ear [09:46:54] Chrimigules: Join Cyberia! [09:46:56] bill hates anime if i recall? [09:46:58] fuck no [09:47:01] yes [09:47:04] JOIN ANTICA [09:47:10] btw, I'm planning to leave Shireroth soon [09:47:12] ALL NON-CYBERIANS ARE FAGS! [09:47:21] your mom is a fag! [09:47:25] Aryaman: Why? [09:47:30] Chrimigules: Your dad is a fag! [09:47:39] everyone seems to be arguing and nothing is happening [09:47:44] well, he is Australian... [09:47:48] it doesnt seem to be going anywhere [09:47:52] Aryaman: What did you expect would happen? [09:47:55] or go? [09:48:17] I dunno but the mood has darkened [09:48:25] yeah [09:48:30] also Goldshire has fallen apart and it was my project now i have nothing to do [09:48:33] we're hoping that will clear up with a new Kaiser [09:48:51] You have a barony don't you? [09:49:00] yeah that's true [09:49:04] I dunno [09:49:11] lately I feel like i should move beyond micronationalism [09:49:30] for a while. like a break [09:49:31] Secessionism or what? :P [09:49:45] you know [09:49:55] it would be good if everyone took a break from micronationalism [09:49:57] actually I want to just do more productive things and get out more [09:50:03] let's declare a sector-wide break [09:50:08] lol [09:50:22] I need a break from Shireroth... [09:50:34] not an LOA, but something to make me less dickish [09:50:37] just post in every micronation: "Chill out everyone. A holiday from micronationalism has been declared. See you next year." [09:51:40]<**Aryaman quit #micronations "" **> [09:51:45] o_O [09:51:53] same second [09:52:04] did the chat thing on Shireroth quit? [09:52:13] dunno [09:52:17] people need to use mIRC and Pidgin more [09:52:19] mibbit proly kicked them out [09:52:24] I use pidgin now [09:52:28] it's better [09:52:33] mmm [09:54:55] trying to figure out a new name [09:55:16] what's wrong with Tosha? [09:55:23] proly nothing [09:55:28] how about Tushi [09:55:30] I just wanna be less dickish :/ [09:55:36] haha [09:55:56] ah [09:56:04] so I guess they teach you what a tushie is in Sweden [09:56:15] no, but I know anyway [09:56:18] ah [09:56:24] I was hoping to pull a fast one on you [09:56:33] it backfired [09:56:37] wah wah [09:56:52] Akhichan needs a hippy girlfriend [09:57:00] <***chrimigules nods***> [09:57:03] that is so true [09:58:12] that's what I like about New York English [09:58:22] you don't have Yiddishisms in Indiana [09:58:38] hehe [09:58:41] schlep [09:58:55] schmuck [09:59:08] hehe [09:59:14] maybe that can be your new name [09:59:20] Shmaku [09:59:25] CVCV [09:59:30] Shima [09:59:35] Shimaku [09:59:40] to Wapanese [09:59:44] heh [09:59:50] you know what's sad? [09:59:59] what? [10:00:19] I've looked deep into Japanese enough to know what Shimaku might be read as in Japanese [10:00:31] what? [10:00:43] well [10:00:46] hypothetically [10:01:01] it would be the Island Ward [10:01:24] haha okay [10:01:26] if a city had grown sufficiently to annex an island [10:01:39] they might be moved to call it Shima-ku [10:01:42] uh oh [10:01:47] sister's alarm clock went off [10:01:50] Shoma Y/M [10:01:53] Y/N [10:01:55] I'm sure Scott will correct me on that when he reads the logs [10:02:09] Shota [10:02:15] please Shota [10:02:15] eh [10:02:15] no [10:02:18] SHOTA [10:02:24] NEVAR [10:02:26] you'll make Bill cry [10:02:40] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotacon [10:02:47] I know [10:02:56] doesn't that sound like reason enough? [10:03:12] Malliki Loli in that case [10:03:34] nah [10:03:37] it has to be Shota [10:03:56] unless [10:04:08] Bill only does seem to complain about pedophilia targetting girls [10:04:11] maybe he's cool with shota [10:04:25] he likes shota [10:04:26] that explains everything! [10:04:33] Malliki Shona [10:04:51] eh [10:05:39] means something weird? [10:05:43] nah [10:05:49] just doesn't thrill me [10:05:54] oh dear [10:05:54] Shoma? [10:06:02] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bukkake_udon_tent.jpg [10:06:25] EHHH [10:06:29] what are they selling? [10:06:29] that's just wrong... [10:06:36] bukkake noodles [10:06:47] with? o_0 [10:06:55] extra topping? [10:07:05] -___________________________________________________________________- [10:07:39] I HAS A CAT [10:07:40] PEACE [10:10:32]<**Harvey has joined #micronations**> [10:12:25]<**Bjorn_olsen has joined #micronations**> [10:20:25] anyone there? [10:20:31] <***ari ***> [10:20:42] ari: I'm making a logo for CyberiaWiki. [10:21:19] CW in Times New Roman, divided diagonally from top right to bottom left, upper part in red, lower in green [10:22:21] Y/N [10:27:59] im here [10:29:13] Malliki: thought you already had a logo made [10:31:18] hi [10:32:08] hey hey [10:33:44] Bjorn_olsen: Yeah, but I want a good-looking one [10:34:58] Bjorn_olsen: What do you think about the idea? [10:36:22] Malliki: wouldn't it be better having your coat of arms there? [10:36:56] on the Wiki? [10:37:14] yeah at the top left as a logo [10:37:25] If we had one, perhaps [10:37:31] oh [10:37:35] The one we have is a lame american rip-off [10:37:47] you have a link? [10:38:07] http://thevcc.proboards.com [10:38:12] in the top banner [10:38:27] oh i see [10:39:32] the eagle isn't even a cyberian symbol [10:39:38] lol [10:39:47] is their a link to your wiki [10:39:56] http://cyberia.wikia.com [10:41:26] what were your ideas for the flag and the text? [10:41:29] i wonder if vcc can get it's old island back [10:41:42] dr-spangle: We can hope [10:41:51] Bjorn_olsen: What the huh? [10:41:55] Flag text? [10:41:56] if it does can i tear momochi off the face of micras and burn it please? [10:42:05] *can it tear [10:42:13] Momochi? [10:42:26] that lake in the middle of your islands [10:42:34] the toketians put a fucking city in the middle of it [10:42:35] you were suggesting the flag with text for the wiki [10:42:49] Bjorn_olsen: I did? [10:43:02] CW in Times New Roman, divided diagonally from top right to bottom left, upper part in red, lower in green [10:43:11] yes [10:43:16] that is what I'm making [10:43:51] so the same as the one that is up, just different text yes? [10:44:28] yes and no [10:44:36] it wouldn't be a flag with CW on [10:44:50] but the letters CW in red and green like I described [10:46:36]<**Ola has joined #micronations**> [10:46:44] Ola: Hi! [10:46:51] Hello^^ [10:47:00] Ola: Ola! [10:47:05] Is it a coincidence that you have a Swedish first name? [10:47:09] actually it's spelt hola isn't it [10:47:10] I come in peace LD [10:47:11] :D [10:47:22] dr-spangle: Yes [10:47:28] bleh [10:47:32] Ola: So, your nick, what's the deal? [10:47:32] Ola: Polish? [10:48:00] actually, it's my nickname from other IRC networks. It;s name of my fursona.Ola is a female name in Poland, and i am male irl. My name is duke Rhadmor Ravendorff-Marcjan-Chojnacki, from The United Kingdom of Brugia [10:48:16] ah, awesomes [10:48:18] fursona? [10:48:26] i am a furry. [10:48:36] http://mnforumlist.com/add_new.php cough cough cough [10:48:42] <***malliki lmaos***> [10:48:50] ? [10:48:52] ? [10:49:00] can you add your nation? :P lol [10:49:04] ok:P [10:49:13] Ola: Is it a wikination or micronation? [10:49:22] wikination? [10:49:28] does it have a forum is what he's asking [10:49:30] Ola: Nevermind. :) [10:49:38] yeah, kinda [10:49:38] it's an internet country, but someone has the real life stamp :o [10:49:49] Ola: forum link? [10:49:58] http://brugia.org/forum [10:50:16] <***malliki approves***> [10:50:25] total number of websiytes=? [10:50:29] webhsites [10:50:32] website3s [10:50:34] wrr [10:50:38] how many websites do you have? [10:50:48] then on the next page it asks you for the links [10:50:53] ;) [10:50:59] it needs to know how many to know how many links to ask for... :P [10:51:12] because I'm shockingly bad at javascript [10:51:16] so i did it in PHP [10:51:16] :D [10:51:22] I do not know js either [10:51:39] no one does [10:51:48] the whole idea of javascript is a lie [10:52:08] even Oracle personnel - they did accquired Sun microsystems [10:52:08] :D [10:52:14] The cake is a lie. [10:52:51] IRL i am a descendant [my mother's family] of Tretyakov family. [10:53:43] cool [10:54:31] ^^ [10:55:18] http://www.kingdomofvictoria.com/cw.png [10:55:47] nice with the gradient. [10:55:52] how about just modifying the flag slightly to make it stand out a little more [10:56:02] lacks a couple of stars tho [10:56:30] true [10:56:46] and I generally don't like gradients in flags [10:56:47] but depends on wether you went with the flag or the writing [10:57:00] http://cyberia.wikia.com [10:57:04] check the logo [10:57:35] as a flag it's not a good idea, but as a logo it works, or part of a design, bit your right as a flag [10:57:59] New logo for CyberiaWiki Y/N [10:58:06] looks good [10:58:10] (Y) [10:58:22] pretty much in line with Cyberia [10:58:27] Cyberia is srs bsns [10:58:41] Yeah I like it [10:58:59] you know, i think the first person to leave in a huff in leave in a huff week might have been corey, and we asked him to [10:59:12] Heh, Cyberia :> [10:59:14] dr-spangle: He asked himself to leave [10:59:21] Ola: Know about it? [10:59:21] There are - or was? - TWO Cyberias. [10:59:27] yep [10:59:28] there was [10:59:31] then none [10:59:32] now 1 again [10:59:35] VCC is back [10:59:37] FRC is not [10:59:55] But the Federal Republic was really nothing more than Jake and his papels, plus one or two other people sometimes [11:00:30] btw, need to update citizen count [11:00:40] Polish Cyberia is now under administration of - dead - Great Duchy of Solardia. And i have a honorary title of the Duke of Cyberia :3 because I administrated this territories and i have left Solardia [11:00:52] okies [11:00:58] didn't know there was a Polish Cyberia [11:01:34] cyberia is a very common micronation name [11:01:38] it's not too inventive [11:01:39] ofc [11:01:47] but in 1997 it was [11:01:48] says the guy who started "new-empire" [11:01:51] previously known as Hasseland - created by Magda Hasse [the same person who did a rebellion in Kingdom of Scholandia, thus forcing people to move to new discussion list because she had control of the old one :o [11:02:31] iirc, there was a nation prior to Cyberia called Cyberland or Interland [11:02:31] And it was before me joining the micronations. I did joined in 2004, i has had the internet connection from September 2004. [11:02:32] hey does anyone know of a central based site like MCS for the german sector? chrimigules was talking about it on last weeks show [11:02:35] Ola: did you fill in the forumlist form? :P [11:02:40] i am filling [11:02:44] ah, kk [11:03:02] the add nation page tends to break more than it should so i dunno :P [11:03:13] in fact, i think it is actually broken atm... [11:03:13] and Cyberia was one of the first true micronations in the english sector [11:03:14] hmm [11:03:18] Talossa can fuck themselves [11:03:30] there is no such thing as a true micronation [11:03:40] oh gods [11:03:48] you can't define micronation it must flow organically [11:03:51] *true in the sense of our definition of the word [11:03:57] there is not our forum engine on the list :o [11:03:59] we do use PunBB [11:04:15] put custom, and i'll fix it :P [11:04:18] :D [11:04:44] dr-spangle: Why must you pick on words? [11:04:54] WORDS MUST FLOW ORGANICALLY! [11:05:24] <***ola hugs dr-spangle***> [11:05:45] I'm taken, sorry [11:05:49] :P [11:05:50] me too [11:05:51] :D [11:06:05] dr-spangle: We are going to corrupt your gf [11:06:20] please don't [11:06:31] oh but we will [11:07:42] Soon she will be all "I don't like this inconsistency in the Shirerithian Charter, someone fix it plz kthx lol" [11:07:42] I know where you live or do I? the mysterious people wiki! [11:08:03] added [11:08:08] yay [11:08:14] i just got the email telling me so [11:08:15] but I don;t see it on a list;p [11:08:17] ok [11:08:38] stupid machine! [11:09:06] dr-spangle: We just hit 219 posts [11:09:17] oh [11:09:22] your PPD works now i think [11:09:34] I have changed my computer a month ago :o [11:09:36] ours? [11:10:16] yeah Malliki [11:10:26] not really [11:10:30] it's more like 10 [11:10:31] not 2 [11:11:35] meh [11:11:42] I could take a log now in theory [11:12:19] i think it's added you now [11:12:33] it hasn't... [11:12:47] You do as you like, it's your list. :) [11:12:51] what is wrong with this machine! [11:13:29] ah [11:13:38] http://talossa.proboards.com/index.cgi? [11:13:46] i broke something [11:13:54] If you want to see something more unprofessional than the Shirerithian forums [11:14:00] and the seal is awful [11:14:11] Ola: you're on the list: http://mnforumlist.com/nation.php?ID=296 but not on the list [11:14:12] for some reason [11:14:23] :) [11:14:58] there we go [11:15:02] now you're on the list 3 times [11:15:31] Talossa has often been imitated -- some so-called "micronations" [11:15:32] have even copied large parts of our website, [11:15:32] (like Astrumia, Thrace, Lyonesse, Amokolia, and others) [11:15:32] all without permission and without acknowledgement. [11:15:32] our Organic Law, our statutory law, and our forum formats --  [11:15:34] LOL! [11:15:37] Amokolia... [11:16:00] lol [11:16:26] They haven't wikified yet [11:17:05] Sorry, you're not allowed to upload this file... The filetype is not on the whitelist, sorry if it is actually a safe file, I have to be careful and protect my server and users [11:17:09] .svg... [11:17:28] gah [11:18:03] try now [11:18:06] doubt i fixed it [11:18:08] o-o uploaded it twice [11:18:10] o-o [11:18:14] can You remove one? [11:18:28] no [11:18:29] yeah [11:18:34] it is twice on the list [11:18:43] but the link is the same [11:18:55] ah, that's much easier [11:19:11] fixed [11:20:09] try uploading the svg again, with any luck it will work now [11:20:10] The 1997 Organic Law vests legislative power in the bicameral Ziu (parliament), which consists of a seven-seat upper house known as the Senäts, and a 200-seat lower house known as the Cosa. Members of the Ziu deliberate by e-mail or in person year round. [11:20:10] YIFF\ [11:20:12] lol [11:20:16] also twice [11:20:18] sowwy;/ [11:20:32] the SVG was the same as godlo3.png [11:20:44] Ola: I'm sure dr-spangle doesn't mind much. He just loves getting new nations on. :) [11:20:51] ;) [11:21:28] I don't mind [11:21:31] more data :D [11:22:09] hmm [11:22:17] wasn't there a split in Talossa a while ago? [11:22:33] ooh, maps [11:22:59] there are many versions of map of polish micronations, i can show you them;p [11:23:00]<**benanne has joined #micronations**> [11:23:12] sure [11:23:16] is there an international map? [11:23:25] also, have you heard of interland and winktown? [11:23:38] yes [11:23:42] and pawel abramowich? [11:23:44] awesome [11:23:49] actually there is no ONE map;p [11:23:53] there are three maps [11:23:58] ah, cool [11:24:04] Paulos Petrosigos, the King of Surmenia - 1 [11:24:05] english sector just has one, MCS http://micras.org/maps/claimsmap.png [11:24:12] http://micras.org [11:24:18] Michael O'Rhada's 2nd [11:24:19] there were others, MCS killed them [11:24:22] and Pel Nander's 3rd [11:24:27] links? [11:24:35] i will show you them , wait some more;p [11:25:11] You will also see the old, unused map [11:25:22] ok [11:25:29] but i have to go to work soon :P [11:25:42] l;/ [11:27:36] hallo will log though [11:27:36] : "will" not defined. Try "/msg hallo help commands" for a list of commands. [11:27:40] and i'll read when i get back :P [11:27:42] http://simbaspaws.org/olahughson/mikronacje/mapy2/ [11:27:47] :> [11:28:14] bye [11:28:17] be back in 10 hours [11:28:19] :P [11:28:21] bye [11:28:32] bye [11:31:43] the Tuolelenkka on the maps was mine. This was a mainl;y 1-person nation, which had a treaty with Austrian-Hungarian Monarchy and was shortly a mamber of OPM [Orgamisation of POlish Micronartions) [11:33:28] is there any point in having a treaty? [11:34:16] it's a rule that you have to say in public that your nation opinion is that another ones do exist. [11:35:33] thats one type of treaty, although it really isn't upto any nation to say another exists, we all exist, yes perhaps a treaty to recognise may have some small purpose [11:35:50] but, i have come to the conclusion that having a treaty is almost pointless [11:37:26] ah yes, recognising [11:37:43] Bjorn_olsen: Welcome to the club [11:37:58] there is nothing that can be done should one party break it [11:38:05] Malliki: do i get a card? [11:38:10] sure [11:38:17] Bjorn : there is a nordic micronation, called Nordia [11:38:29] that is generally the case with basic macronational treaties too [11:38:52] Ola: cool [11:39:19] Malliki: yeah but at least they have international law as protocol, we have nada [11:39:33] the curse of micronationalism. [11:39:44] getting people to agree to binding international rules [11:39:49] when they gain nothing from it [11:40:09] formality [11:40:23] yeah, but that doesn't do much [11:40:37] perhaps it sets a standard [11:41:01] a basis on which rules governing the protocols of a states foreign relations [11:41:14] it's all just a bit too random right now [11:41:18] This year oex-Prince of Sarmatia and his froend, Kedar, have did something like defcon, shutted down most people's rights, and cleaned the economical systems from money [ everyone has 100LT], territories and things -.- [11:43:05] Bjorn_olsen: I agree with you. The SC could be a way to get that, if we could get it going again. [11:44:45] Malliki: agreed, only problem is that some people just wont go for the SC based on its shireroth heavy influence or whatever other conspiracy they wish to conjure up about it [11:45:02] I knows [11:45:14] But we need some activity there to be able to do something about it [11:45:33] has it really kinda dried up? [11:46:41] yeah [11:47:19] any reason why? [11:47:37] People don't seem to find it interesting at the moment [11:47:53] I made an analogy with a car. [11:48:06] Lots of people in the back seat right now, but no one is driving. [11:48:24] sounds familliar [11:49:31] an active Primate would generate some activity [11:49:38] as well as a new nation joining [11:49:43] The only things in this hobby that drive me are design and foreign relations, i think without them i get bored [11:50:00] who is the current primate? [11:50:15] Max from Batavia iirc [11:50:22] ah [11:50:40] Batavia seem to be rather dry atm [11:50:45] yeah [11:51:24] I really would like to see what would happen if someone took the SC model and renamed it and placed it on the MCS forums [11:51:44] Perhaps we should try to move the SC? [11:52:16] possibly, but then would people see it as the same just moved, due to the name etc [11:52:32] whatever it was it would be the SAME just dressed differently [11:53:07] or perhaps modelled differently [11:53:41] yeah, but it seems rather pointless to make the same thing from scratch [11:53:43] setting up an organisation based on international laws alone [11:53:45] building up from the start [11:53:46] I'm gonna float the idea [11:53:54] YAMO WARNING!!! [11:54:08] it almost is pointless to start from scratch your right [11:54:31] I just really want to know why people really do not want to join [11:55:09] same as always [11:55:18] don't want to give up any sovereignty [11:55:22] even if they don't have to [11:55:46] no one loses any sovereignty joining the UN [11:56:20] put i think the SC is a mix of both UN and EU and we know what we lose in the EU [11:56:46] plus no one has any sovereignty anyway lol [11:56:56] it's a hobby [11:57:56] you know what I mean [11:58:41] http://shireroth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=196&t=12767 [11:59:10] i've bookmarked that page [11:59:38] problem in Victoria is that our Queen is dead set against joining and i'm not at all too sure as to why [11:59:59] perhaps moving it to the SC and opening up fresh elections [12:00:03]<**dr-spangle quit #micronations " Leaving." **> [12:09:07]<**Bjorn_olsen quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [12:09:27]<**Bjorn_olsen has joined #micronations**> [12:10:48] ah the ever enthusuastic Jonas [12:11:07] oh very [12:11:19] this is not activity. this is just doing random shit no one cares about. [12:11:33] and he seems to think that the coup is RP [12:13:52] RP [12:14:19] tell me that sdoesn't mean role play [12:14:28] doesn't* [12:15:31] it does [12:15:47] oh dear [12:15:59] Scott sent a PM where he is politely asked to step down for the good of the nation. [12:16:06] His response is a lame pointless decree [12:17:48] where is it? [12:17:54] even the Kaiser needs support. [12:18:14] see it [12:18:26] pretty lame, huh+ [12:19:21] strange [12:19:49] it seems like he's not taking us seriously [12:20:08] like he can hang on to the throne even tho half the nation wants him gone [12:20:25] I wonder if he knows who is part of the coup [12:20:47] Scott didn't specify [12:20:55] Although is there really anyway to de throne him [12:21:26] not legally [12:21:28] but it can be done [12:23:23] well if he keeps up with those sort of decrees I can't imagine him being able to put up a good fight [12:23:52] he is seriously pissing me off in the "Status of the islands" thread [12:24:02] I developed those islands, made maps and such. [12:24:12] and now he just wants to hand them to someone else. [12:27:26] what's his game [12:27:48] you make common sense to me [12:28:02] he just thinks he can do whatever the hell he likes cause he's Kaiser. [12:28:07] and DON'T say anything about that [12:28:23] not my place [12:28:44] legally he can do anything, but in reality he needs support. [12:29:16] well i can't imagine him getting very much acting like that [12:29:30] hence the coup [12:35:18] check that thread again... [12:35:22] I might be a bit harsh [12:35:24] just did [12:35:25] lol [12:35:26] but dammit [12:35:31] he's getting on my fucking nerves [12:35:39] understandable [12:36:16] not sure why you would have to remind someone when it's all in that forum anyways! [12:38:06] that's a good question too. [12:38:39] cos he doesn't read stuff, he just does things and then go "oh, I knew that but I ignored it so we could have a discussion and I could be the best lol" [12:39:02]<**ScottA has joined #micronations**> [12:39:52] ScottA: Can we speed things along a bit? [12:40:38] Malliki: Why? The Kaiser's latest decree just assures our victory, nothing more. [12:40:52] Oh, and Erik's cooperating. [12:41:17] ScottA: His arrogance is getting on my nerves. [12:41:31] And yes, his latest decree is a real gem. [12:43:43] If I'm going to be Kaiser, I wanna start being responsible (in contrast to my usual MO). And part of that is not getting impatient. Give the others a day or two to get properly involved in the plan. He's been on our nerves for a month now, we can wait another day. [12:44:39] *sigh* [12:45:35] Besides, we should wait until Harvey and the others get back before doing anything rash. We'll talk about it more tonight. [12:46:33] you're right, but I'm still annoyed [12:46:42] Still. Wow. Impressive cluelessness on Leto's part. [12:47:13] Now you can fully help with the planned coup. [12:47:13] I can't say that I'm very sad, Mike. I don't say this because I dislike you, or because you have an other opinion, but because you were much to aggressive. I hope to serve under you in the (far or close) future and I hope you will do the same once everything has cooled down a bit. [12:47:24] Quote [12:49:07] Who's that? [12:49:58] Oh, I see. [12:51:05] Is Ari's "man in green" post about the coup or just there? [12:51:55] I think it's supposed to be part of the backstory for a Kaiser Malarbor, tragically unaware that I'm probably not going to be it. [12:53:14] OH PLEASE BE!!! [12:53:18] YOU HAVE TO!!! [12:53:27] PWWWWWWWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAASSSSEEEEEEE!!!!! [12:54:08] I was thinking of saving it for the person after me, who can rule during the tenth birthday. [12:54:52] let him be Malarbor II [12:55:00] don't let Ari's story go to waste [12:55:04] MALARBOR DEMANDS IT! [12:55:41] brb [12:56:13] Who's Ola? [12:57:12] polish mn-ist [12:59:42] Ari, you there? [13:03:41]<**The has joined #micronations**> [13:03:47] sup [13:04:30]<**The quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [13:04:30]<**The quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [13:04:56] ari: Scott isn't sure if he's gonna be Malarbor I or not [13:05:00] HELP ME CONVINCE HIM [13:06:27] Ari: Just heard from Jonas. [13:06:32] He said you and he have a plan. [13:06:41] Oh, I was thinking of taking the throne for myself actually, though Jonas apparently wants to wait until the flag change is passed (in fact pretty much exactly to that moment)... that's tomorrow, no? [13:08:07] ari: Okay? And you are thinking with what now exactly? [13:08:14] back [13:08:35] Um, I guess that could work. [13:08:51] so much for including people. [13:08:53] Though you'd need to decree that Allot couldn't eat my children. [13:09:39] Malliki: It's Ari. He knows what he's doing. I can only hope he shares it with the rest of us. [13:10:21] ari: Yes on tomorrow and meh... [13:10:21] wonders what the new foreign policy on victoria shall be [13:10:47] ari: If you decree that we're going to annex Victoria, you have my support. [13:11:05] interesting [13:11:55] For what it's worth I proly wouldn't have gone behind your backs if you'd gone with Scott as the original choice. I figured at the time that this would be the more effective way to prevent an Erik kaisership from alienating the Elwynnese and such. It's just that by the time you finally settled on Scott I'd gotten used to the idea of running a Malarbor kaisership [13:12:19] I'm pretty much going to be going with the same policies as Scott would [13:12:36] it's like musical chairs in here [13:13:18] ari: Okies. fine by me. [13:13:20] Ari: You have my blessing IF you can get Erik and the Elwynnese to approve. [13:14:00] perhaps the music has stopped now yes [13:14:46] That's including the "it's a 30-day kaisership" thing, and when I say "it's a 30-day kaisership" I mean that I'll announce on the first day that that's how long I'll be around. Proly will appoint Allot as steward if he's OK with it, and as for heirship, thinking of something to the effect of "Erik can be the heir due to timing reasons if he does in fact come back and start posting again as planned, otherwise, it's going to be Allot" [13:16:03] doesn't sound like a good idea to mention Allot or people might start to plan a coup over Erik, no? [13:16:19] Still, get the others to approve. The whole point of waiting was that we wanted to show people we're going to do this through consensus and not by having high-status people go behind people's backs. [13:17:09] It's too bad, though. The way I wanted it to go, Jonas would have dropped the heirship on everyone just before the Antican roundtable, and then the first hour or so would have consisted entirely of people going "wtf" ): [13:17:16] ScottA: Aye aye sir [13:19:48] Have any of you ever read team of rivals? [13:22:59]<**Leto has joined #micronations**> [13:23:18] hey everyone :) [13:23:42] howdy [13:24:16] i think this is my first time here (can't stay long either) :p [13:24:50] it is [13:25:05] welcome [13:25:31] So, when ari said he wanted to be Malarbor I, did you just surrender to the awesomeness or what? [13:25:44] hey, bjorn. read your pm: thanks for the effort you're putting into the images [13:25:58] Leto: not a problem [13:26:10] malliki: what? [13:26:28] Malarbor I = awesomeness [13:26:52] or just a very unoriginal name? :) [13:27:33] not really [13:27:33] AWESOME [13:27:45] hehehe ^^ [13:27:59] The reason no one has taken it yet is the amount of AWESOME required [13:28:47] Murrr [13:29:09] leto -> lyeto -> summer in russian [13:29:12] malliki: of course, of course [13:29:30] ola: really? interesting :) [13:29:37] :) [13:30:55] malliki: but i'm a bit unsure about how malarbor will rule the nation. his mother has still much influence on him [13:31:32] <***ola listens to the discussion and tries to understand what's going on***> [13:31:38] HE WILL RULE WITH AWESOMENESS [13:32:29] ola: it's about the shirerithian kaisership. they are having a coup against me and planning to put the national symbol (malarbor: a tree) on the throne [13:32:51] aham^^ [13:33:24] we weren't planning that from the start, but when ari told us at least I saw the AWESOMENESS [13:33:51] ari: All decrees must end with MALARBOR DEMANDS IT! [13:33:54] Sorry for not introducing myself. Duke Rhadmor Ravendorff-Marcjan-Chojnacki*, count of Litava [13:33:55] malliki: hmmm. last time he was whining about his mother: http://shireroth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=147002#p147002 :p [13:34:05] *from the Sarmatian family Chojnacki [13:34:29] http://simbaspaws.org/olahughson/mikronacje/chojnaccy.png [13:34:33] malliki: do you really want to make shireroth boring?even the mango-thing was nice, but it was ruined when we used it too much [13:35:01] huh? [13:35:10] A MALARBOR KAISERSHIP WILL BE AWESOME!!!! [13:35:24] New webcomic suggestion: http://eqcomics.com/ [13:35:37] malliki: if you're going to use 'MALARBOR DEMANDS IT' everywhere, it will get boring [13:35:41] Ola: none of those crest heraldricly fit [13:35:45] Leto: NO [13:36:01] ScottA: A Malarbor Kaisership is full of AWESOME Y/N [13:36:06] malliki: YES :p [13:36:28] Bjorn_olsen : Tell that duke Mariusz Magnuszewski from Sarmatia. [13:36:41] but i'm going. nice chatting with you, but have to to my french lessons :x [13:36:43] http://sarmacja.org/strona,mieszkaniec,A1685 [13:36:45] Yeah, the Malarbor attitude is somewhat hard to pull off in a way that keeps it interesting. I was thinking of mostly using it for the occasional decree and proclamation, but I'm planning to mostly be OoC [13:37:09] OoC? [13:37:13] Out of character [13:37:38] aaahhh yes [13:37:40] Ola: i mean they dont fit together in a tree [13:37:41] We've got enough problems as it is, I don't want to make it impossible for me to argue any point by going "MALARBOR DEMANDS IT" every second paragraph. Maybe every fourth :P [13:37:59] Bjorn_Olsen : ? Why You think so? [13:38:15] As long as the official actions are permeated with MALARBOR AWESOMENESS, I'm okay with it. [13:38:17] ari: :p [13:38:26] but have to go now. bye! ;) [13:38:31] Bye^^ [13:38:36] byes [13:38:40] Ola: there is nothing to connect them either in design or story [13:38:41]<**Leto quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [13:38:49] ari: Can I be teh Arbiter? [13:39:42] \Bjorn_olsen : The nobility and aristocratic titles in most of the polish micronations are not descendable. That's why my v-father, Karol, has NO title at all. [13:39:51] Leto wasn't on long [13:40:02] Ola: ok [13:40:35] :) [13:40:43]<**ScottA quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [13:41:42] Malliki: Maybe. I'll be hearing Erik's opinion first. Granted, if you want the position, you certainly have the advantage of a good recent loyalty track record, so he's going to come up with a pretty good argument if he wants to keep his position. [13:42:38] ari: I think he will go "fuck you guys I'm leaving". [13:43:08] He said that first when we suggested Scott, then he changed his mind since he wanted to be named after Scott. [13:43:25] If he's not going to get to succeed you, he'll probably LEAVE IN A HUFF [13:44:39] Yeah, 30 days and then to Erik was the plan. If Erik for whatever reason only accepts Scott and not me on the throne, well, I suppose I'd make a decent Lacrymosa [13:45:06] Which kinda makes the Allot heir backup plan pointless, but ah well [13:45:59] I thought you said 30 days and then to Allot? [13:46:35] thinking of something to the effect of "Erik can be the heir due to timing reasons if he does in fact come back and start posting again as planned, otherwise, it's going to be Allot" [13:46:44] ^ self-quote [13:47:21] ah, okay [13:47:25] sounds good I suppose [13:47:31] Chogall will proly not like it tho [13:47:37] he does not have warm feelings for Erik [13:51:48] see my latest thread in the Shrine [13:52:49] Yeah, I wouldn't have done this in the first place if Erik was everyone's chum. As for Elwynn, well, first thing about that is, I think part of the reason why so few outsiders are feeling like being involved is that they've done a lot of worldbuilding through RP in a relatively brief time; it's difficult even for someone vaguely interested, such as me, to jump in and be confident I'm not breaking established culture [13:53:16] So I was thinking of seeing what a couple of well-placed contracts for glossaries and introductions to Elwynnese culture might get the appropriate people to write [13:53:36] sounds like a good idea [13:53:46] It could help integrate Allot and Chogall better and maybe even bring Leo back eventually [13:54:03] Leo would have to get new parents first :/ [13:57:06] Where there's a will there's a way etc.. (also I had no idea his LOA had to do with external causes :P) [13:58:08] yeah [13:58:17] his parents doesn't want him to be involved in fun stuff [13:58:26] they want him to just study [14:00:11] btw, Artz joined Cyberia :O [14:00:22] Yeah, I heard [14:00:47] hehe [14:00:54] I think it will be good [14:01:08] she seems interested in legal stuff, but not so good at it, so we can teach her. [14:01:12] Eh, she's going to stop moving about and settle down in Shireroth eventually ;) [14:01:29] and she can teach us to be less stiff and more culturally awesome [14:02:02] was gonna say something [14:02:50] ari: http://cyberia.wikia.com [14:02:50] What do you think about the new logo? Top left [14:09:16]<**hallo has joined #micronations**> [14:59:59]<**Ola quit #micronations " Leaving" **> [15:02:02]<**ScottA has joined #micronations**> [15:02:23] Ari: Ryan just said Jonas has promised to name him Steward in a few hours. Does this surprise you? [15:03:13] doesn't surprise me [15:04:02] Well, it surprises me because I thought there was a Jonas-Ari deal going on, and it doesn't make sense for Jonas to name a new Steward 24 hours before he's supposed to abdicate in favor of someone completely different. [15:04:16] But maybe Jonas is just trying to throw people off track. [15:04:29] You operate under the faulty assumption that Jonas' actions make sense [15:06:34] Apparently I also operate under the faulty assumption that ari is here. [15:06:44]<**Bjorn has joined #micronations**> [15:06:48] an easy mistake [15:07:16] can someone get rid of Bjorn_olsen [15:08:00] SHINE would, but it's already working on getting rid of Jess, Craitman, and Leng first. [15:08:00] thanks [15:08:05]<**Bjorn quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [15:08:07] Plus, he makes such good websites :( [15:08:29]<**Bjorn has joined #micronations**> [15:08:40]<**Bjorn quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [15:08:46] ScottA: I don't know what he's doing, no [15:09:05]<**Bjorn has joined #micronations**> [15:09:49] Bjorn: You should register your nick here [15:10:22] how do I do that? [15:11:06] gonna keep it as Bjorn from now on [15:11:37] ari: How does one register? [15:11:39] I've forgotten [15:12:27] /msg nickserv help register [15:13:16] that means nothing to me [15:13:23] you type that here [15:13:38] and then you follow the instructions [15:15:16] nah, that makes no sense to me [15:15:31] it doesn't tell me where I go to register [15:15:42] you register here [15:15:46] by entering stuff here [15:15:50] where? [15:16:01] here [15:16:29] yeah, that doesn't make sense to me at all [15:17:17]<**mib_pvpubm has joined #micronations**> [15:17:23] <***mib_pvpubm tests how some shit works***> [15:18:14] /msg nickserv REGISTER password email [15:18:16] Bjorn: You should get a lot of brownish red text from nickserv when you enter /msg nickserv help [15:18:34] Bjorn: Are you using mibbit? [15:18:50] not a clue [15:18:56] Bjorn: That's NickServ talking to you by private message (whereas "/msg nickserv" is a way to tell mibbit to send what follows on the line as a private message to NickServ) [15:18:59] how do you access this? [15:19:07] Yes, he is using mibbit [15:19:13] okies [15:19:37] Syntax: REGISTER password email [15:19:50] Bjorn: So what you want to do is give NickServ the command "REGISTER password email", with the appropriate substitutions (also, obviously, can't have spaces in the password), and you do that by typing in /msg nickserv register aoeu aoe [15:19:57] bjorn.olsen@kingdomofvictoria.com [15:20:22] ok, i'm 100% lost [15:20:35] /msg nickserv register your_password bjorn.olsen(at)kingdomofvictoria.com [15:20:50] substitute (at) with at you know [15:21:04] and your_password with an appropriate password [15:21:07] NOT to your email [15:22:07] Syntax: REGISTER password email [15:22:53] Bjorn: Just copy what I'm writing here: /msg nickserv register your_password bjorn.olsen@kingdomofvictoria.com [15:22:57]<**banaan has joined #micronations**> [15:23:00] i think i've done it [15:23:04]<**mib_pvpubm quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [15:23:06] and substitute your_password with you know [15:23:21]<**benanne quit #micronations "" **> [15:23:48] Bjorn: If you wanna test it, try logging out and then going in again. [15:24:07] You should get something that says "this nickname is registered, please enter blah blah blah" [15:25:30]<**Bjorn quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [15:25:42]<**Bjorn has joined #micronations**> [15:25:58] nah never worked, although i'm still waiting for an email [15:26:05] oki [15:27:33] Thanks for the help btw [15:34:00] no probs [15:36:34] Malliki: OH HELLO [15:37:12] Hello [15:39:10] icebreaker: Did you want something? [15:43:52] NO, JUST SAYING HI :D [15:50:57] i'm really giving serious thought to stealing apple's website [15:51:12] it just looks too good for me to ignore [15:51:43] Bjorn: Linky? [15:51:52] apple.com [15:52:15] that's not a linky :( [15:52:24] http://www.apple.com [15:52:31] that's a linky :D [15:53:28] laal [15:53:32] it's written in js [15:53:38] it is [15:54:04] i'm fairly good with js [15:54:13] well better than php [15:55:47] I have basic knowledge of html and css [15:55:48] :P [15:56:53] i heart css [15:57:04] it's the best thing since sliced bread [15:57:19] I know! [16:04:49] I wonder how people caculate political clout in our sector [16:05:22] In negative Letos perhaps? [16:07:16] haha [16:58:29] Hhmm. I'm getting doubts. Not because I want the power or responsibility. But with everyone left, it would be better to proof that I can rebuild the nation from the ashes. [16:58:32] There is a holiday week at my doorstep. I still have ideas that I never posted because of the flag-issue, etc. [16:58:35] Probably should better do some stuff before ending my reign. [16:58:37] ^ So, yeah. [16:59:18] I was thinking of just responding with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byMClFz6w-w#t=1m (ten seconds or so) [17:04:45]<**Bill3000 has joined #micronations**> [17:08:06] hi [17:09:35] hi [17:09:55] ashtoenu [17:10:59]<**Ola has joined #micronations**> [17:11:12] lol [17:11:21] so I knew that jonas wouldn't do it [17:15:52] hi i am back;p [17:16:10] hi [17:16:11] who are you [17:18:04] Duke Rhadmor Ravendorff-Marcjan-Chojnacki, count of Litava [17:19:23] huh [17:20:07] I am from Poland :) [17:21:45] oh dear [17:24:28] ^.^ [17:29:02] they have dukes in Poland still? [17:29:40] hi chris [17:29:44] yo [17:29:44] are you going to be here at 5 [17:29:48] nope [17:32:59] hm [17:33:09] how many citizenshyips can the steward have [17:33:12] o-o? [17:33:17] i mean micronational duke :o [17:33:47] i am a citizen of the United Kingdom of Brugia, my title comes from the Grand Dutchy of Solardia [17:35:06] This is the most batshit crazy conspiracy of all time. [17:35:17] Firmly blaming ScottA! [17:35:44] uh [17:35:57] I told you that there is a probable chance that he would reject it [17:36:21] I blame you for not having a backup plan when I told you that >_> [17:36:35] landsraad aside [17:36:41] Now wait one goddamn minute. [17:36:41] we could create a petition [17:37:02] . [17:37:06] You can't blame me for turning the conspiracy into a little chat over a game of polo. [17:37:06] k [17:37:08] DAMN [17:37:14] it was less than a miute [17:37:31] I never expected to get everyone and their mother involved and then basically go crying to him. [17:37:59] honestly? it's probably the best way to go about it, before force [17:38:09] as in like [17:38:11] create a petition [17:38:14] and have people sign it [17:38:29] The point was that Scott didn't tell Leto how many people were supporting him. [17:38:44] well plan A failed [17:38:54] He was basically "By the way, there's a coup in the planning. It's nothing big, but maybe you should resign? Pretty please?" [17:39:11] right [17:39:13] it was plan A [17:39:28] Fine, we'll call it some version of plan A. [17:40:00] But I can't even make a plan B anymore, because it's not my freaking conspiracy anymore. It's as public as its ever going to get. [17:40:27] if it's public, then I think creating a petition would be the best way to go. [17:40:56] This country couldn't agree that the sky is blue. [17:41:06] Still, you're probably right. I don't have much choice. [17:41:24] considering's scott's plan to talk with other shirerothians with it [17:41:43] And what the heck is all this about ari taking the throne? [17:42:29] didn't hear it. was it here earlier in the chat today? hallo logs? [17:42:32] hallo log [17:42:32] : "log" not defined. Try "/msg hallo help commands" for a list of commands. [17:42:37] hallo serbia [17:42:37] : "serbia" not defined. Try "/msg hallo help commands" for a list of commands. [17:42:38] SERBIA RULES FUCKER! [17:42:40] hallo esrbcat [17:42:40] : "esrbcat" not defined. Try "/msg hallo help commands" for a list of commands. [17:42:43] hallo serbcat [17:42:43] : "serbcat" not defined. Try "/msg hallo help commands" for a list of commands. [17:42:47] I'm gunna be pretty damn annoyed if I went though all this BS of getting to agree and he just sent a PM to Jonas and gets himself named heir under our noses. [17:43:09] hallo help [17:43:09] : Use "help commands" for a list of commands, or "help " for help on a specific command. Note: <>s mean you should replace them with an argument, described within them. If you are not using private messaging, prefix your commands with "hallo". [17:43:15] hallo help commands [17:43:15] : acos, asin, atan, cos, hallo, hallo_add, hallo_del, hallo_list, help, join, kick, lastping, longcat, longcat_off, longcat_on, longserb, longyo, op, part, pyrayo, quit, sin, tacgnol, tan, time [17:43:25] hallo longcat [17:43:25] : Longcat is disabled. Use "longcat_on" to enable it. [17:43:36] [13:06:41] Oh, I was thinking of taking the throne for myself actually, though Jonas apparently wants to wait until the flag change is passed (in fact pretty much exactly to that moment)... that's tomorrow, no? [17:43:38] hallo time [17:43:38] : [17:43:38] [17:43:51] oh [17:44:05] lol [17:44:30] [13:14:46] That's including the "it's a 30-day kaisership" thing, and when I say "it's a 30-day kaisership" I mean that I'll announce on the first day that that's how long I'll be around. Proly will appoint Allot as steward if he's OK with it, and as for heirship, thinking of something to the effect of "Erik can be the heir due to timing reasons if he d [17:44:39] due to timing reasons if he does in fact come back and start posting again as planned, otherwise, it's going to be Allot" [17:44:55] What a huge goddamn waste of time all of this has been. [17:45:07] welcome to micronations [17:45:12] I just wanted to ONE FUCKING THING in this country, and I couldn't even do that! [17:46:30] Harvey: Well, you know, we all get our kicks from Shireroth in our own ways [17:46:34] so Malliki's gone now? [17:46:47] ari: oh screw you. [17:46:52] Harvey: On occasion, I like playing the game. [17:46:58] You're probably getting a kick out of this. [17:47:19] it's been a shirerithian game of musical kaiser [17:47:23] I dunno [17:47:34] I think malliki's just parodying people [17:47:46] it's hard to tell sometimes with him [17:48:00] All this proves is that you can do whatever you want and people will listen to you and there isn't much point in trying anything else. [17:48:10] well [17:48:13] ari's nice [17:48:15] or something [17:48:15] I dunno [17:48:26] Might as well just disband the kaisership and the Landsraad. It's just a big farce. [17:48:37] you know [17:48:43] it is possible to do things other than plan coups [17:48:53] Harvey: I have to wash some dishes, but stick around, I have some arguments to make to you later [17:48:56] Why fucking bother? [17:49:05] for that matter [17:49:06] well, somebody has to clean them [17:49:07] in the future [17:49:10] I have no say in anything that goes on around here, and it wasn't from a lack of trying. [17:49:19] I think there needs to be a method to remove the kaiser by the public [17:49:29] definitely [17:49:30] If this whole thing came out with even the FAINTEST hint that I'd influenced events SOMEHOW, then I'd go forth with the tour plan. [17:49:36] I don't know how you guys lasted so long without one [17:49:39] what [17:49:45] are you that selfish? [17:49:46] But once again I've been completely ineffectual and other people just lol in my direction. [17:50:06] No, I'm just in this country to have some sort of say. [17:50:09] Harvey: I think the problem was that you all kinda spoke about it sporadically over 24 hours which gave others the time to think of their own strategies regarding it [17:50:31] well ari was on last night [17:50:38] Bjorn: I was trying to act as quickly as I could, but every person I added wanted to wait longer and longer. [17:51:04] the thing I learned about coups is that if you want it done right, do it yourself [17:51:06] unfortunately [17:51:06] Although watching from the sidelines it's been absolutely clear that their are too many ego's in Shireroth with their own motives [17:51:25]<**Cairney has joined #micronations**> [17:51:27] Harvey: now you know why they might have wanted to wait [17:52:11] Well, I don't think Scott was in on the ari thing, though it really wouldn't surprise me. [17:52:27] I dont think he was [17:53:06] anyawy [17:53:15] barring chogall trying to blackmail me [17:53:17] the flag vote will pass [17:53:20] I think [17:53:20] I think ari went for it on the basis that he didn't want Erik and by the time he realised Scott was in the mix he already had his mind set on it, i think thats the jist [17:53:39] I'm just pissed that one ari's mind is worth more than like ten of the rest of us. [17:53:56] And it's about the clearest sign that I don't belong in Shireroth that I can think of... [17:54:06] rofl [17:54:25] you're pissed because your plans to a coup failed because he wanted to resign by himself without outside influence [17:54:40] so what [17:54:47] everyone's plans fail many times [17:54:50] Wrong on both accounts, as usual. [17:54:52] Right, so [17:54:55] But keep going with this. [17:55:14] either way [17:55:15] it's immature [17:55:19] selfish [17:55:20] bratty [17:55:20] Harvey: I'm pretty sure you started the whole coup thing with a goal in mind. What was it? [17:55:51] Get Jonas off the throne and put on someone with hopefully more plans than a little vague roleplaying before getting bored. [17:56:00] and that'll succeed [17:56:05] (admittedly that second part wasn't stated, but it's sort of implied) [17:56:05] so [17:56:38] and honestly plan [17:56:39] It won't succeed, because the coup didn't succeed; Ari's divine influence did. [17:56:47] you are (were?) part of the IAC [17:56:51] you have plenty of influence [17:56:55] Still am. [17:56:59] Are you kidding me? [17:57:06] Jonas likes to claim he listens, but he doesn't really. [17:57:35] Harvey: Thank you for the vote of confidence. Seriously. I like doing things in Shireroth. Sometimes I do experimental things in Shireroth! Sometimes I do wacky politics in Shireroth! This time, I intend to... pretty much do the same things as Scott would be doing, really. [17:57:54] Harvey: So you'll find you got precisely what you set out to get. [17:57:57] Harvey: Jonas constantly saying he doesn't care what people think or do kinda attests to that [17:58:09] ari: you could declare the country dead tomorrow and people would call you the best Kaiser we've ever had. [17:58:35] And if you want to know: I received one kind PM to step down with some decent arguments. One. And I can tell you that something like that convinces me more then people who leave. [17:58:36] so [17:58:37] that was scott's [17:58:41] he did convince him [17:58:46] You're the most trusted person in the country, and everyone knows it, including you. [17:58:48] ...but scott didn't say that he wanted himself as kaiser [17:58:49] so [17:58:55] You call it "playing the game" but it's hardly a game when you know you'll win. [17:59:19] Harvey: Hell, if it hadn't been for your work convincing every damn citizen to your case, and seriously you did convince everyone on #micronations, I don't think there would have been any work done at all to get him off the throne [17:59:32] Bill3000: what are you talking about? Scott said he wanted himself as Kaiser like 12 times in the past day or so. [17:59:44] He didn't say that he wanted to be kaiser IN THE PM [18:00:04] ari: and all for what? Jonas didn't know about any of this. He just got a few PMs saying there was a bit of a chance of a coup and he should probably resign. [18:00:58] as I said before [18:01:00] that was plan A [18:01:01] The only remotely amusing thing about this is that Scott negated his own chance at the throne with all this nonsense, but maybe that's more relief to him than not. [18:01:33] well, that's his own fault, isn't it [18:01:48] Harvey: We haven't yet gotten to the bit where we write the history books on this situation. Since the whole thing is proly going into the next Malarbox update, I... somehow expect that, yeah, you *will* be given credit [18:01:53] I'm pretty sure Plan A didn't involve other people negotiating independently to become Kaiser without telling the rest of us. [18:02:46] Tsch, at this point it's blame. Nothing I did managed to influence the situation in any way I hoped. [18:02:52] So, hey, Harvey, suppose you hadn't been there [18:02:59] ... what. [18:03:00] How much do you think would have gotten done? [18:03:33] I imagine Jonas would have eventually gotten sick of other people disagreeing and bored of the throne, and you could have sent your PM, and exactly the same thing would have happened. [18:03:59] probably months from now [18:04:01] Heck, keep the timetable exactly the same if you'd like - there was enough people making noise on the forums for it to work. [18:04:41] Bill3000: you know, it IS a Seldon Crisis, because individual efforts don't have any effect on the social consciousness of the situation. :( [18:04:49] Damn you, Asimov! [18:05:09] uh [18:05:28] first of all [18:05:34] <***bill3000 psionically stabs Harvey in the face***> [18:05:36] second of all [18:05:43] you had plenty of effort [18:05:45] Hey yeah, that bot doesn't work? [18:05:59] it failed because I don't know how to do /me in a script [18:06:05] Harvey: I guess I'm gonna have to thank you for giving me ridiculously far too much credit. Seriously, before the whole conspiracy thing I was thinking "you know, Jonas kinda seems to be maturing as a leader, I think if we just wait this out it'll be fine". My next kaisership would have happened like 22 kaisers later, according to the usual timetable [18:06:15] (if at all) [18:06:26] Always a pleasure to be of service, mi'lord. [18:06:39] well [18:06:42] <***scotta 's eighth sense tells him he's getting blamed for something.***> [18:06:52] yeah [18:06:55] you're not the next kaiser [18:06:58] You have only yourself to blame for this one! [18:07:04] Actually, hell [18:07:11] <@Harvey> Bill3000: you know, it IS a Seldon Crisis, because individual efforts don't have any effect on the social consciousness of the situation. :( [18:07:12] Actually, I'm almost sure I can blame Ari. [18:07:47] I seriously don't understand how you can ignore your *own* actions that changed *everything* like that [18:07:48] also [18:07:53] Ari wouldn't have been able to do what he did if we hadn't taken a snail's pace on this, gotten everyone involved to the point where it was a matter of public note, and "done this right" [18:08:07] snail's pace? [18:08:10] it was like what, three days? [18:08:16] four, maybe? [18:08:21] that's pretty slow [18:08:22] Well, I've wanted him gone since about his first week in office. >_> [18:08:25] Ari: When did you PM Jonas? [18:08:29]<**Chogall has joined #micronations**> [18:08:59] ScottA: did you even want to be Kaiser? You seemed resigned to accept your duty in all of this, but not excited. [18:09:06] Harvey: I did. [18:09:07] ScottA: 3:39 GMT [18:09:17] Well, that's good. Miserly loves company at least. [18:09:22] Harvey: There you go. Ari PMed Jonas before we even made the decision to take it slowly. [18:09:56] I wanted to be Kaiser, but I was afraid I didn't deserve it. [18:10:03] Are you still talking about this? [18:10:06] I think Ari will be better for the country. [18:10:07] Tsch, you were all deciding that from the beginning of the night. [18:10:15] Chogall: Ari kaiser Y/N [18:10:21] We didn't even decide to make me Kaiser until like 4! [18:10:36] I cant be impartial with him standing there [18:10:41] okay [18:10:42] ari [18:10:44] kick yourself [18:10:48] Impartial is the wrong word [18:10:50] Look, unless it's Y, you're going to be upset, because he's our new kaiser! [18:11:02] Seriously? [18:11:10] Yep! [18:11:28] What happened to the plan we came up with last fucking night [18:11:35] Sorry for completely wasting your and Allot's time yesterday by pretending you had any influence whatsoever in who got picked. [18:11:35] WHAT HAPPENED? [18:11:44] Im done [18:11:46]<**Chogall quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [18:11:50] :) [18:11:53] o_O [18:12:00] Okay, I'm done. [18:12:10] Harvey: This is why I wanted to include people? [18:12:15] harvey, stop whining [18:12:15] So they didn't do that? [18:12:25] Yeah, well. [18:12:30] Sucks to be us. [18:12:32] it's just making you look weak [18:12:44] <***scotta didn't even get a chance to offer Cho'Gall his complimentary Leave-In-A-Huff t-shirt :(***> [18:12:48] I think there is a valid point here about teamwork and communication [18:13:00] mmm [18:13:03] Look, he reacted like I wanted to here. [18:13:31] Everything I said was true, and he's justifiably upset that he thought he had a voice but doesn't. [18:13:33] sometimes there isn't any other way to react when you feel your not being listened to [18:13:34] look, if all politics are informal it's very easy for your plans to go out the window. [18:14:04] Bill3000: well, yeah, but that doesn't make people take it lightly. [18:14:13] for politics to work you really need to know what your dealing with [18:14:18] ScottA: those PMs you sent out to people like Ryan. What did they say exactly? [18:14:36] Just a "do you want to get rid of Jonas?" or did you hint at all about the council's candidate being you? [18:14:38] I didn't say that people don't take it likely. In fact I think that's one of the largest problems here. [18:15:14] Look. I didn't plan for this whole conspiracy to become a group effort. [18:15:39] If your original plan went through, chogall, allot, and leo would emmigrate. [18:15:44] But once it DID and you involved everyone, people are going to be frustrated that all the talking didn't matter. [18:15:47] Alls I'm sayin' [18:15:47] people usually get out-flanked in political strategy, trust no one [18:16:01] And now I'll just see where this goes, cuz it's not like I have much choice in the matter. [18:16:10] Harvey: Something along the lines of "We're thinking about doing something about Jonas, we value your input, come to the chat room when you get the chance" [18:16:21] I think I told Ryan that it was probably me or Erik. [18:16:30] ScottA: well thank the stars for that. [18:16:53] Oh, except the one I sent to Erik said me, but then I sent him another correcting that. [18:17:28] So what's Leto doing? Trying to get stuff done in a hurry before he resigns so he can go down on record as having done at least something? [18:17:47] probably take credit for the flag change [18:18:35] Probably. Ain't that a kick. Scott does all the leg work and you design a bunch of flags and beg people to vote, but Leto will still be "the Kaiser that changed the flag" [18:18:44] Yeah, he told me via PM that he'll abdicate tomorrow as soon as the flag vote ends. [18:18:47] <***bill3000 shrugs***> [18:18:49] I don't care [18:18:49] AND THANK THE GODS FOR THAT. [18:19:01] The flag gets changed and it doesn't even have to be my problem. [18:19:23] So the moral of the story is to only do things that are bad, so that you don't feel upset when you get no credit? [18:19:47] No, if you only do things that are bad, people will hate you. [18:19:51] There are some things I do for credit, but the flag thing was for its own sake. [18:20:16] honestly, I swear [18:20:19]<**Chogall has joined #micronations**> [18:20:23] what the hell happened between jasonia and tymaria [18:20:27] I'd like to be remembered as a guy who wrote some cool stories and was a good Kaiser every so often. As long as we get a half-decent flag, I don't care if everyone thinks Abraham Lincoln did it. [18:20:38] Chogall: Check PMs [18:20:52] My voice is hoarse now [18:20:53] Between Jasonia and Tymaria? [18:21:20] Um. A complete, slow, painful collapse of timed democracy, I suppose. A lot of looting. [18:21:20] well no [18:21:26] I know the answer [18:21:28] Chogall: Yeah, typing that ASIFJSEOFJISLDF:OILSDJFSKDJf took a lot out of me too. [18:21:34] nothing actually changed [18:21:36] Bill: Hegemony of Alexandros. [18:21:48] not referring to actual nations or events [18:21:51] Ok [18:21:57] He's talkign about me personally, of course. [18:22:00] All of this misunderstandings [18:22:08] can be solved [18:22:10] could be solved if people didnt [18:22:13] Chogall: Also PM'd [18:22:20] And now, I have a catch a bus that leaves in like am inute [18:22:22] If people stopped going off in a huff [18:22:32] I now realise the irony [18:22:35] Chogall: Also... heh [18:22:46] Err, I'm glad you said it before I could. Thank you. [18:23:08] Though, um, the ari thing isn't much of a misunderstanding... [18:23:36] Leo is [18:23:39] Pseudo back [18:23:48] he checks the forums regularly [18:24:08] you said earlier [18:24:12] I think [18:24:20] and he posts as whoever [18:24:22] You [18:24:29] can tell that its him [18:24:39] its his writing style [18:24:40] Well, I can't tell... [18:24:55] go look at the new guy in elwynn [18:25:16] Eldwood [18:25:17] yeah [18:25:18] I know [18:26:13] Oh, that guy. I was wondering. [18:26:15] harvey please go to a pschologist before *I* go insane, please. [18:26:17] Should have known really. [18:26:18] thx [18:26:31] Bill3000: based on anything or just random trolling? [18:26:36] I knew it was him before i read the post [18:26:40] yeah, based on plenty [18:26:45] gotta love how people in Shireroth manage to leave without actually leaving [18:26:50] he told me that he didnt want kvothe standing him up [18:28:03] because you have many character flaws that massively irritate me and you make no effort to change [18:28:25] Says the fucking pot to the kettle? You ain't exactly mr. perfect here chief. [18:28:27] you guys need couples therapy [18:28:38] At least I don't constantly nag on you for no damn reason. [18:28:45] Seriously, give it a rest. [18:28:46] yeah [18:28:50] that's another thing! [18:28:59] you just stick with lame ad hominems whenever someone says something true about you. [18:29:03] What, couple's therapy? [18:29:25] yes [18:29:28] you guys are [18:29:30] you know... [18:29:31] right? [18:29:35] Wait a minute. Me saying you're not perfect is ad hominem but you saying I have many character flaws is something true? [18:29:47] wait are you? [18:29:52] it's an ad hominem because you're deflecting [18:30:10] I'm deflecting because I don't respect your opinion. [18:30:14] sure you do [18:30:24] Are they gay together? [18:30:40] Bill, if ari hadn't chewed me out last time (and if it didn't make shit hard to understand) I would /ignore Bill3000 and never look back. [18:30:40] Or I suppose that instead of catching the bus I might just run out to the stop and see the bus gtfoing somewhere far away [18:30:46] Oh well, there's always tomorrow morning [18:30:59] Chogall: You gave me a bit of a scare, sorry for the resulting tone in the PM [18:31:00] Chogall: no. We're not. We were once good friends, but I'm pretty sure that came to an end like a week ago. [18:31:34] oh [18:31:40] Friends with benefits? [18:31:51] Don't test our patience :p [18:31:58] lol [18:33:39] I think I'm gonna write a new Malarbox update [18:35:14] Next issue on my itemized agenda... [18:35:25] Why is Malliki burning bridges? Anyone know? [18:35:41] ... unless this is his reaction to the ari thing? [18:35:45] <***harvey pulls up hallo.***> [18:35:52] Harvey: 'tis called humour [18:36:11] Well, the leaving thread is humor, but he's fighting with Jonas over maps and resigned the Stewardship. [18:36:51] We were fairly satisfied with ourselves last night. Something seems to have changed. [18:37:21] Why would the Maps be burning bridges? [18:37:42] He seems to have taken arguing with Jonas to another level. [18:37:44] Jonas wants to give islands that Malliki worked on to someone else [18:38:06] I think he feels a bit disrespected by him [18:38:07] Yeah, but there were ways to deal with that other than issuing threats and telling Jonas he's a bad kaiser. [18:38:27] Maybe it's just Malliki being himself though. [18:39:20] well, this coup has been around for days and people do tend to get more frustrated as time goes on, it's prob just got the best of him at the time. But as a designer I can see where he is coming from [18:39:36] You're probably right. [18:39:48] Or maybe he thought we were close to winning and he didn't have to pretend to be nice. Maybe both. [18:39:57] Thought: We should have a serious intellectual property law to assuage concerns like his and Maksym's. [18:39:59] Gunna mark that one down as "not a big deal" [18:40:12] ScottA: good timing! [18:40:14] Plus I don't think Jonas had asked about screwing with stuff that Mike considered personally his beforehand [18:40:14] <***scotta adds it to his now sadly obsolete "List of Things to Do as Kaiser"***> [18:40:31] Um, yeah. [18:40:36] ScottA: agreed, but something that covers more than just Shireroth [18:40:49] I guess... ari... should take another look at SCIPPA instead of you now. But that's what SCIPPA was designed for. [18:41:03] or at least something other nations could join [18:41:04] I'm going to get Nelaga in SCIPPA before I release CoD2 as well. [18:41:08] Harvey: Really? I thought that was more about not stealing, and less about not getting rid of. [18:41:23] Um. It is. [18:41:30] I was thinking along the lines of "Maksym, you make us this Shirekeep map, and it will be the official map of Shirekeep for at least three years" [18:41:42] Is that a stupid idea? [18:41:49] yes [18:41:51]<**Hesam has joined #micronations**> [18:41:51] I can't think of any way to legally code that in a way that can't be broken. [18:41:57]<**Ola quit #micronations " Leaving" **> [18:42:03] Maps always change [18:42:25] It's not a stupid idea, especially for that map, but based on the fact you've all got gold swords you don't deserve I fear it would be used for dumb purposes. [18:43:11] oh god [18:43:18] "I want to make citizen X feel better about the fact nobody cares about his culture, so I'm declaring it the official culture for 3 years. Oh, but he left and someone else wants the territory. Um." [18:43:24] Mornin' Hes! [18:43:52] Hey, I already had "fix the gold swords" on my List of Things to Do as Kaiser :P [18:44:07] I want to scoop my brains out with a spoon and feed it to televisions static. [18:44:22] that bad a hangover? [18:44:26] yeah [18:45:11] ari: if you're going to do that, it's probably best to review each citizen individually and see if they warrent keeping the gold for other reasons. [18:45:43] But since it's a high military honor in a nation that can't be destroyed by military force, not likely for most people. [18:45:52] *adds to list [18:46:11] hai [18:46:14] can we unban political parties [18:46:18] though make it somehow shirerothian [18:46:19] the gold swords is stupid. Bring back the Nixon! [18:46:55] Yes, the Nixon! [18:47:07] well [18:47:18] I want to somehow change shireroth such that people can fight without hating each other [18:47:20] like you can say [18:47:21] IC we're rivals [18:47:24] but OOC we're best buddies [18:47:27] this is not possible in shireroth [18:47:51] wait, some fucker erased the Nixon! [18:48:03] Bill3000: Andreas disagrees! [18:48:08] ... but Andreas is still wrong. [18:48:11] http://shireroth.org/shirewiki/Kaiser_Hasan_I [18:48:14] what he say [18:48:28] Well, he disagrees that it's not possible in Shireroth. [18:48:56] well he sorta proved himself wrong [18:49:08] http://shireroth.org/shirewiki/Imperial_Decree_286 found it Harvey [18:49:18] That's the best military award Shireroth's ever had [18:49:43] Who got rid of it? [18:49:45] And why? [18:50:01] for example [18:50:08] we could create a method of removing the kaiser [18:50:11] by say, a petition [18:50:18] Bill3000: I know he proved himself wrong. Thus, I think, his existential crisis within Shireroth and ensuing LoA. [18:50:18] decree 368 got rid of it [18:50:22] Plebicite of the Masses! [18:50:38] we could make the landsraad less lame [18:50:41] somehow [18:50:45] by herll [18:50:51] expanding it to all citizens or something [18:51:19] And it was the same decree that gave everyone gold swords! Malliki, you bastard! [18:51:35] D. The status of Imperial Decree #286 (Redoubt Campaign Medal) is somewhat in question. Is it repealed or not? I cannot find a decree to that effect (although I haven't searched my eyes out), so to be on the safe side, I hereby repeal Imperial Decree #286 regarding the Redoubt Campaign Medal in its entirety. All recipients may keep their medals unofficially though. As a compensation and more... [18:51:37] ...fitting award for those recipients, I hereby award the Gold Sword to the following citizens: [18:51:39] Bill3000: sounds dangerously like democracy talk! As the coup proves, there is no democracy in Shrieroth. [18:51:50] One group tells another to screw off, as is tradition. [18:51:53] yeah it's democracy talk [18:52:34] we could institutionalize factions or some shit instead of the current informal way [18:52:40] they don't have to be permanent factions [18:52:41] like say [18:52:51] we could really create a comittee to unelect the kaiser or something [18:53:08] seriously, why is shireroth such a fucking asshole that it repeals or destroys anything anyone else does. [18:53:10] I'm not sure how to say this, but for all my gnashing of teeth over my humiliating defeat here, the #micronations approach was 100 times more civil than the forum-based fighting one we had before it. [18:53:43] You can call me a coward and shit if you want Bill, but like 4 people other than me left too. [18:54:08] who left? [18:54:14] Leo, Gareth, Erik, Andreas - some claimed different reasons, but the point is that people don't leave nations they like, they just "have less time" [18:54:24] uh [18:54:28] gareth has real life business [18:54:32] I also had to talk Gman out of leaving the same night as I did. [18:54:38] leo left because his parents want him to focus on schoolwork [18:54:54] Yeah, you're missing the point... [18:55:02] It's the act of making the thread that's the tell-tale sign. [18:55:07] that's awesome. I hope shireroth collapses on its own arrogant ass leaving you two to analyse what went wrong for the next year. [18:55:08] they didn't leave because the fighting [18:55:26] considering they left before it [18:55:29] so [18:55:39] How sure of that are you? Leo has said in the past many times he's frustrated with how people treat him. [18:55:58] because his real life friends told me [18:56:10] we've been through this already, harvey [18:56:22] I know, and I apologized for forcing you into doing what I made you do. [18:56:29] for that matter, he's pseudo-back [18:56:31] But still, the writing was on the wall. [18:56:32] Why did Gman want to leave? [18:56:40] ScottA: flag [18:56:41] flag probably [18:56:51] Damn. [18:57:06] anyway, leo had to focus on schoolwork, and left before any incident [18:57:14] Not really damn. I did get him to stay, and he's acting like he's tough and would never leave, so that's good. [18:57:15] gareth wasn't even *in* the incidents [18:57:26] Leo didn't leave before an incident. [18:57:46] There was this big thing where he was accusing everyone of ganging up on him in the Goldshire debacle days. [18:57:55] nah [18:57:57] You weren't in the nation yet, I don't think. [18:58:02] his plan the entire time was to take his barony into elwynn [18:58:09] thought you knew that [18:58:17] No no no... [18:58:23] Fine, I'll find the thread. [18:58:59] Alternatively, nah. [18:59:06] That sounds like a hassle. I'll find some waffles instead. [18:59:29] And my loot doesnt drop [18:59:30] Again [18:59:36] yay [18:59:38] that sucks [18:59:46] isn't that awesome :D [19:00:18] What? [19:00:37] happened to me all the fucking time in EQ [19:01:07] yeah [19:01:25] specially since everyone else and their brother has the axe [19:01:27] everyone but me [19:02:46] No harvey bill is right [19:02:53] His plan was to get ynnraile [19:03:45] seriously, who goes out of their way to repeal someone elses work? I spent a lot of time on that medal. [19:04:08] What medal? [19:04:11] it's malliki [19:04:15] Are you from ontario? [19:04:19] yeah [19:04:19] oh [19:04:23] Srrs [19:04:28] your that swedish fag? [19:04:34] no [19:04:35] malliki is [19:04:44] <***scotta wonders if looking at the genitalia of 5 year old girls counts as child pornography if it's on a medical site demonstrating the genital rash of Kawasaki syndrome.***> [19:04:53] Chogall, I am not Malliki, I am Hesam. I am from TOronto. Malliki is from Sweden. [19:04:55] no [19:05:01] It doesnt [19:05:07] Bill will probably crucify you anyway, Scott [19:05:15] But you should be ashamed nonetheless [19:05:50] is the intent sexualized? [19:05:56] it isn't in the medical site [19:05:59] it is in anime >_> [19:06:00] The medal I'm talking about was the redoubt Island medal that I made and issued when I was Kasier. But like all things I did as Kaiser, someone actually went out of their way to systematically repeal or destroy anything I did. What harm did a single fucking medal cause to the 'great tradition of shireorth" [19:06:15] Chogall: not talking about him being duke of goldshire. Talking about him fighting in the failed Goldshire recwar and feeling ganged up on. [19:06:24] hey everything I did as kaiser got blown up [19:06:28] Bill3000: Malliki and I decided that the reason why you're so against girl-targetted pedophilia is that you're secretly into shotacon [19:06:48] <***bill3000 vomits***> [19:06:57] Speaking of Bill crucifying peple, Bill3000, are you aware of Ayez's views on anime? [19:07:11] Akhichan's views on everything are lulzy [19:07:20] should I bother to hear? [19:07:29] Chris, you and the Anticans have the patience of saints. [19:07:44] you Shirerithians have only gotten a taste [19:07:50] Harvey: Hah, I want to hear this [19:08:12] it was fun getting hard materialist on him last night, though [19:08:16] I still need to sign the census [19:08:22] Ayez is funny [19:08:30] Because of how he makes harvey feel [19:08:33] What is Aryez's view of anime? [19:08:36] ari: oh, if you were expecting anything amazing, it's disappointing. He's just under the opinion that anime is the best thing ever and, I believe "Pikachu created the universe." [19:08:40] I was going to put the blackrockian medal in as the award I put [19:08:44] but I don't remember what it was [19:08:57] Interesting [19:09:04] So pikachu is god? [19:09:13] Pika Pi [19:09:19] No. Nothing Aryez says can be taken seriously. [19:09:40] I like how he came on to announce that he vandalized cars [19:09:46] chris [19:09:51] Yeah... [19:09:57] why the hell do you have a "do you want to retain your antican citizenship" question on the census [19:10:10] that's like asking why I ask for people's blood type [19:10:59] mostly because I can [19:11:00]<**Bill3000 quit #micronations "" **> [19:11:01]<**Bill3000 quit #micronations "" **> [19:11:23] Better than the Shireroth census anyway... [19:11:33] I added mother's maiden name, but I realized it might be taken seriously [19:12:04]<**Bill3000 has joined #micronations**> [19:12:07] k [19:12:12] submitted census [19:12:15] yay [19:12:31] you're A+? [19:12:33] interesting [19:12:42] Ahhh [19:12:45] I think? [19:12:48] *adds "fix census" to list of things to do as kaiser [19:12:58] that's interesting [19:13:07] why [19:13:14] dunno [19:13:21] but you said it was interesting! [19:13:21] <***chrimigules can give you blood***> [19:13:30] *removes "wants to be ImNat* from his list of stuff in Shireroth* [19:13:40] ImNat? [19:13:47] Harvey: :P [19:13:52] Immigration and Naturalization. [19:14:11] ari: that was pretty much the only perk of taking that job. [19:15:14] Harvey: Good thing I have the Dagger of Time here [19:15:27] *rewinds time back to before he said "*adds "fix census" to list of things to do as kaiser" [19:15:30] The what now? [19:16:00] *adds "ask MiniImNat if he thinks the census form could do with a little fewer things that are going to stay the same every time you take the census anyway" to list of things to do as Kaiser [19:16:01] Ah, Prince of Persia. New movie looks iffy. [19:16:47] where's malliki [19:16:51] he needs to be on tongiht [19:17:10] I'm sure that he'll be back [19:17:28] He's probably unconscious. [19:17:38] okay [19:17:44] when do I always want to add an i in Skiron [19:17:47] to Skirion [19:17:57] I'm sure he'll be back like I was sure Chris would be back "soon" when 5 PM hit. [19:18:27] sky iron [19:18:32] IT'S A SKY IRON [19:18:33] AAAAAAAAH [19:18:35] oh fuck off [19:18:36]<**Hesam quit #micronations " ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]" **> [19:18:51] Skirion? [19:19:22] you've done it from time to time [19:19:30] but you've been more merciful to it than some have been to Kaikias [19:19:49] kaikas [19:19:58] Kaikas, Kakias, Kaikais, etc [19:20:04] I haven't seen Kakas, though [19:20:10] people recognize that it needs at least one I [19:20:16] ah [19:20:28] probably because i'm thinking that it's a greek city or something [19:20:29]<**Ola has joined #micronations**> [19:20:35] -ion corresponding to -ium as in byzantion [19:20:37] thus skirion [19:20:40] well [19:20:46] it would've made sense to name it Skirion [19:20:50] yeah [19:20:57] why don't you [19:21:01] I probably should've done the same thing to Kaikias [19:21:04] you havn't finished the claiming process [19:21:09] because it'd be anachronistic [19:21:11] kaikas? [19:21:16] anachronism is awesome [19:21:19] Kaikion [19:21:21] ah [19:21:29] what's really funny, I think [19:21:38] is that Skiron and Kaikias are named after the minor wind gods [19:21:42] Kaikias is the northeast wind [19:21:46] lol [19:21:48] and was icy [19:21:51] and now it's in the tropics [19:22:03] yeah so [19:22:07] anachronism is irrelevent [19:22:07] :p [19:22:13] well [19:22:22] there's an in-character explanation for it [19:22:30] I intentionally refused to resettle old Kaikias [19:22:36] meh [19:22:56] I don't like to go back and rewrite what has already been established as canon [19:23:01] I don't like retconning [19:23:08] LAME [19:23:15] I mean [19:23:21] it's more important [19:23:22] Kaikias used to be north of Platea. Now that it's not, it needs a reason to be. [19:23:24] to improve one's own work [19:23:33] than stick with years of crappy stuff [19:23:45] Skiron and Mesoun ceased being Antican territory. Now it is returning. There needs to be an explanation for its absence. [19:23:50] we can't just push it under the rug [19:24:41] Chrimigules: pirates. Or northern lights. [19:24:48] NO [19:25:26] losing West Antica could easily be explained by the collapse at the end of the First Republic [19:25:29] Swamp gas? [19:25:39] and only now we've getting around to getting back to it [19:25:39] Magnets? [19:25:40] riponian barbarians [19:25:44] Time travel? Mass hallucination? [19:25:52] Gremlins? [19:25:54] Epileptic trees? [19:25:57] time travel's probably the best idea [19:25:57] well, the Riponians did seize the territory before it collapsed itself [19:26:14] well [19:26:14] Riponia was how I started seeing a pattern that Central Apollonia is lethal [19:26:15] Time travel's probably the worst idea >_> [19:26:21] time distortionists are probably the best idea [19:26:30] it solves all continuity problems [19:26:43] I banned them from doing anything on micras after CoD4 ended, which was about a year ago in real time. [19:26:48] it's not that hard to massage events to make it work [19:26:55] Mostly because they're a bloody crutch. [19:26:57] this can be part of CoD4 events. [19:27:06] No [19:27:09] they can cause the death of leng! [19:27:17] Leng's still there! [19:27:23] it's an illusion [19:27:26] swamp gas [19:27:28] it's not really there [19:27:29] let the gas clear [19:27:39] don't care [19:27:47] I want CoD4 to have the death of leng [19:27:51] whether it happens or not [19:28:00] You're a looney. [19:28:24] Ari: Center of this as avatar for Kaiser Malarbor I? http://images1.cafepress.com/product/397468011v3_480x480_Front_Color-AshGrey.jpg [19:28:59] LOL [19:29:14] well [19:29:15] I was thinking [19:29:20] malarbor with a king hat on it [19:29:23] kaiser cat? [19:29:29] kaiser hat. [19:29:31] ScottA: I approve [19:29:45] So you are going to be kaiser malarbor? [19:29:46]<**Hesam has joined #micronations**> [19:30:20] <***harvey just realized Erik's probably not going to like this.***> [19:30:35] please Kaiser Malarbor I [19:30:41] First I convince him to be Kaiser. Then I convince him to support Scott. Sigh. [19:30:51] Being behind the scenes sucks. [19:30:59] uh [19:31:06] didn't you say that you liekd doing it on #micronations [19:31:22] That was when I had delusions I was getting somewhere! [19:31:25] Erik will probably be thrilled it's Ari and not me. [19:31:41] you were [19:31:43] I'm... not sure about that. [19:31:45]<**foghorn has joined #micronations**> [19:31:50] hi foghorn [19:31:54] hey all [19:31:59] Chrimigules, you here? [19:32:00] we got plenty to talk about in antican roundtable [19:32:01] In fact, that's the only reason I'm willing to put up with being preemptively usurped. [19:32:09] Erik's reasons for support you Scott were cryptic and bizarre. He didn't elaborate, but it seemed important somehow. [19:32:12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZfRaWAtBVg&feature=player_embedded [19:32:16] yo [19:32:20] ^ [19:32:22] But he was VERY behind you, hardcore. [19:32:29] was ist as [19:32:33] *das [19:32:33] Yeah, I sent him a long PM with various reasons and promises, and he replied with, and I quote "okey" [19:32:37] watch it or I kill you [19:32:43] wtf [19:33:13] I guess someone else can deal with that if and when it becomes an issue. [19:33:16] I'm going to the store. If Foghorn or Icebreaker or someone is Kaiser by the time I get back, I'll kill you all. [19:33:17] rofl [19:33:19] that's awesome [19:33:32] download MP3 here: http://soomopublishing.com/declaration/ [19:33:41] I approve [19:33:43] chris: new music for roundtable?> [19:33:51] man, if this were around in 2005... [19:33:58] i know, right? [19:34:04] hahaha [19:34:15] someone +o me? [19:34:16] I approve your request [19:34:57] http://micras.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3935&start=30 [19:35:10] The question on everyone's mind is... girlfriend or mistress? [19:35:20] hahaha! [19:35:25] girlfriend [19:35:27] I thought you knew that [19:35:41] http://bill3000.net/Shireroth/BjornKilt.jpg [19:35:44] left was girlfriend [19:35:45] right was mistress [19:35:54] mistress [19:35:58] Look, you're awful with jokes, you know that? [19:36:02] mistress [19:36:21] god DAMN I'd kill to ravage either... [19:36:30] then again, I'd kill for a pop tart... [19:37:11]<**erik_mortis has joined #micronations**> [19:38:12] o his [19:38:25] foghorn: ran out of poptarts? [19:38:40] there's a LAN party upstairs [19:38:45] they ate my last one... [19:40:14]<**erik_mortis quit #micronations "" **> [19:41:58]<**erik_mortis has joined #micronations**> [19:45:38] fuckers [19:46:54] Foghorn: I absolutely love it [19:47:04] the song [19:47:10] it tickles the funny bone [19:47:10] isn't it great? [19:47:33] I don't know why, but the phrase "it's too late to apologize" gets me [19:48:18]<**Cairney quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [19:48:19] showed it to friends [19:48:59] WHAT it's from 2006? [19:49:04] DOMINOES PIZZA [19:49:09] OM NOM NOM [19:49:11] no? [19:49:14] that can't be right... [19:49:28] ah [19:49:32] this is based off another song, then [19:49:34] I see [19:50:01] hey, it just flashed across my channel like 2 hours ago [19:50:46] is it me or does the king george look like chris in that video [19:50:53] o_O [19:50:57] I'm not that fat [19:51:04] moreso the face really [19:53:23] I don't have as light eyes [19:54:32] so the plan changed.. again... talk about terrible planning. [19:54:47] erik_mortis: Nah, it was'n their fault :) [19:55:34] in the future [19:55:42] let's create a method to just remove the kaiser by petition [19:56:25] Chrimigules: "Thank you. Is it too late to apologize?" "Never." "I'm so sorry." [19:57:34] erik_mortis: I realize quite firmly the inadequacies of my planning and can offer no other recourse than to say I don't see the value in trying such things in the future. [19:57:52] Who keeps changing things? [19:58:17] it was a bit spontaneous really [19:58:19] Ari negotiated an apparently successful deal with Jonas even as we talked last night about our candidate for Kaiser. [20:00:09] http://shireroth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=177&p=147370#p147370 [20:01:05] Tsch, what a farce. [20:01:49] hey Chris [20:02:20] senor Chrimigules [20:02:23] Note to self.. stop talking in Micronations cause logs of it get posted for all to see [20:04:28] And my Fnord awards just arived. [20:17:29]<**Ghost_of_Malliki has joined #micronations**> [20:17:44] hi [20:17:49] you in for 5? [20:18:04] I will not be able to make it [20:18:32] wat [20:18:33] wtf [20:18:45] you better be lying [20:19:09] Umm... No? [20:19:20] RL issues. [20:19:32] Spangle has the recording software [20:20:03] spangle's not gonna be here? :( [20:20:31] mmmmmmm pizza [20:20:41] Okay. Download CallBurner yourself then [20:20:50] Not rocket science [20:23:15] Amirite? [20:24:10] but it'll be boring without you :( [20:25:09] Thx but I can't. I'll be on the next one [20:25:35] Ghost_of_Malliki: all hail Kaiser Ari. [20:25:47] Apparently. [20:26:04] Kaiser Malarbor I [20:26:07] Hopefully [20:26:17] Yeah, he'll probably take that from us too. [20:26:36] You're on a cell phone or something? [20:26:51] Harvey: you in the roundtable? [20:26:52] Mmm [20:27:20] Ghost_of_Malliki: not sure I'm up for listening to 3 or so hours of people laughing at my failure of a conspiracy. [20:27:53] You set things in motion. Nothing to laugh about. [20:27:59] Chrimigules [20:28:19] I can't attend so get someone to record. [20:28:20]<**beets has joined #micronations**> [20:28:23] Would have been the same result if I hadn't. [20:28:40] Kthxgtgbai [20:28:41]<**Ghost_of_Malliki quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [20:28:46] Arthas! The blood of your father, of your people demands justice! Come forth coward, and answer for your crimes! [20:28:49] I don't think I can record. My audio is kinda funky. [20:29:23] <@Harvey> Would have been the same result if I hadn't. [20:29:57] I'm hanging my head about this line [20:30:20] Fine. Let's pretend I left Shireroth on the day Jonas took office. [20:30:44] wait [20:30:51] why on earth do you think ari wasn't part of the conspiracy [20:30:54] you keep on forgetting [20:30:55] Jonas would still have done what he did. Some people, like Malliki, would have been bothered by that. Combined with his general inactivity, someone would have asked him to resign, which he apparently agreed to do as soon as someone asked. [20:30:56] ari watches everything [20:31:06] What is the color of night? [20:31:10] black [20:31:14] Someone here has to have played it [20:31:16] Come on [20:31:28] lesse... [20:31:36] (P/hf)/(I/q)? [20:31:43]<**foghorn quit #micronations "" **> [20:31:43]<**foghorn quit #micronations "" **> [20:31:43]<**foghorn quit #micronations "" **> [20:31:43]<**foghorn quit #micronations "" **> [20:31:43]<**foghorn quit #micronations "" **> [20:31:43]<**foghorn quit #micronations "" **> [20:31:43]<**foghorn quit #micronations "" **> [20:31:43]<**foghorn quit #micronations "" **> [20:31:50] Harvey im looking at you [20:31:55] Nothing that happened in the conspiracy mattered because the single action of the conspiracy, to have Scott send a PM, happened after the apparently concluded deal between Ari and Jonas. [20:31:57]<**foghorn has joined #micronations**> [20:32:03]<**dr-spangle has joined #micronations**> [20:32:04] Chogall: not really in the mood, sorry [20:32:18] hey (its artz) [20:32:27] Artz! [20:32:28] What is the color of night? [20:32:33] Harvey: You know why Jonas appointed Ryan steward and started the ministry census? Because that guy actually wanted to keep kaisering, so much that even when he'd read a good bunch of the IRC logs he still had his doubts about whether to abdicate or not. *Even* when he wanted that a huge chunk of the nation's people wanted him to. [20:32:34] hey spangle [20:32:41] Hey Artz incognito. [20:32:49] Harvey: (the evidence I base this on is a PM from him saying as much) [20:33:04] Oh great, so even the PM didn't work. [20:33:05] yeah [20:33:06] harvey [20:33:08] as I said [20:33:09] erm.. wanting to find out whos in for the radio show tonight.. and get your skpes :) [20:33:12] So it was *all* ari then. [20:33:17] you forgot about what would happen if jonas said no [20:33:45] It wasn't my decision if Jonas said no. It was Scott's. He'd assumed control of everything at that point anyway. [20:33:50] I'm here for there [20:33:53]<**Chrimigules quit #micronations " Leaving." **> [20:33:53]<**Chrimigules quit #micronations " Leaving." **> [20:34:58] Harvey: I mean, I guess the truth is, I wouldn't be arguing with you about this if what you resented was me hijacking your work, because that's what I did, and I understand why you'd feel bad about it [20:35:03]<**foghorn1 has joined #micronations**> [20:35:14] I mean, its starting at arounf 10-10:30.. but if I get names and such and make sure everyones added on skype, at least we have everything ready for when Josh gets back and we start :) [20:35:34] ari: what exactly are you trying to atribute to me here? Jonas read the logs and wasn't convinced. He even sent me a few snarky emails like "You never sent me a PM. I would have been happy to talk to you, because I'm a Kaiser of the people that listens" [20:35:49] *resented me for [20:36:27] ari: if you feel bad about it, that's one thing, but making stuff up and tossing blame on me in the Malarbox doesn't make anything I did more meaningful. I'd feel a lot better if that went away, actually. [20:36:32]<**foghorn quit #micronations "" **> [20:37:48] ol [20:37:50] lol* [20:38:13] lesse [20:38:15] transmitted power... [20:38:25] would be the power of the photons coming in [20:38:27] divided by hf [20:38:32] that would be the photon flux? [20:38:33] wait no [20:38:34] this is power [20:38:41] >.>...<.<... *PM's instead* [20:38:42] so this would be the photon current [20:38:56] divided by the eledtric current [20:38:56] Harvey: I'm gonna look up a few choice quotes [20:38:58] divided by q [20:39:02] that should be quantum efficiency? [20:39:28] What is the color of night? [20:39:31] Please someone [20:39:35] blue [20:39:48] Arrrg [20:39:51] Look it up [20:39:58] has no one played oblivion? [20:40:14] nah.. I have stuff to .. try.. and sort out [20:40:17] I never completed it :( [20:41:12] Ok [20:41:19] the correct answer was [20:41:24] Sanguine my brother [20:41:30] Jeeez [20:44:48] hc/L = hf? [20:44:51] yeah think so [20:45:25] I'd say this is the most representative one: <@Harvey> At least now I've gotten people to admit there's a problem. Progress! [20:45:43] Also I found out that I had misread and that apparently Erik *does* want to be Kaiser Malarbor [20:45:57] Which I suppose means it's a pretty good thing that trees can take a couple of decades to grow :) [20:46:11] ari: I'm pretty sure I said that at my wit's end when none of the plans were shaping up. [20:46:14]<**beets quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [20:48:00] Also, I wonders if that was said before or after you took matters into your own hands. [20:48:22] About three hours before [20:49:40] And the position you'd advance is that all my rabble rousing somehow made you change your opinion on Jonas to the point of sending him PMs? [20:51:43] 10^15 hz is equal to [20:51:43] lesse [20:52:08] peta [20:52:19]<**Hesam quit #micronations " ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]" **> [20:53:11] And perhaps more to the point, why in the hell didn't you tell anyone what you were doing when you decided to do it? [20:53:29] As you saw in that chat, things got ugly a few times. All for nothing! [20:53:45] What was that quote Hesam said about being pawns in someone else's game when Chogall was going off? [20:54:05] Charles what now? [20:55:08] In any event, there's not much point talking about it anymore. Congratulations on playing the game like an expert. [20:55:31] Harvey: *Yes*. Seriously, I would have been perfectly willing to let Jonas keep kaisering and just do damage control when people take things like a RP-by-decree move of the capital too seriously. That... wasn't actually the reason I did it, though, the reason was that I was worried about the prospect of an Erik kaisership at this time. And you know what? I was actually a bit afraid, since you were managing to convince Scott to support Erik as Kaiser, a [20:59:05] cut off after "erik as kaiser" [20:59:22] and when you're doing something like that.. hell, seriously, *goes backs and reads the logs to find out how you did it* [20:59:42] And, yeah, I went back, and... eh, looking back on it I guess should just have argued the point there [21:00:00] Look. I can't think of the last time I made a decent contribution to Shireroth. Maybe it's been never. [21:00:15] Wow. Duke Aryeztur of Goldenbrook. Leto's just deliberately burning bridges at this point. [21:00:17] This was my thing. It was silly and stupid and not very important in the grand scheme of it, but it was my little thing. [21:00:22] And now there's nada. [21:00:38] Other people swooped in, took the credit, and slapped my name on it for irony. [21:00:55] hi scott [21:01:02] I'll get over it eventually, but I don't think there's anything anyone can say to help. [21:01:44] Scott: a second ago the decree said Erik was duke. [21:01:59] Apparently second thoughts. [21:02:03] http://shireroth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=147375#p147375 [21:02:14] Yes, I see it now. [21:02:18] Harvey: I'm gonna call you out on that if you haven't yet gotten over it when eventually rolls around :) [21:02:19] ari can change it when he becomes kaiser [21:02:41] ari: it'll be after I learn Portuguese. [21:03:00] lol [21:03:04] jesus christ [21:03:53]<**dr-spangle quit #micronations "" **> [21:04:43] I WONDER WHAT THE NUTRITIONAL VALUE OF MICRONATIONALIST TEARS IS [21:04:46]<**dr-spangle has joined #micronations**> [21:05:12] probably not very much [21:05:14]<**dr-spangle quit #micronations "" **> [21:05:22] THEY ARE DELICIOUS ANYWAY [21:05:44] <***icebreaker LICKS HARVEY'S CHEEK***> [21:06:23] -.- [21:07:00] harvey, would it kill you to get less emo? [21:07:24] Bill3000, you know what Harvey was saying about you insulting him at random points? [21:07:38] I think there was an implied "...and you should do less of that" involved. [21:07:40] this isn't an insult [21:07:44] this is a state of objective fact [21:07:50] Like aesthetic opinions? [21:07:52]<**Scott quit #micronations " http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" **> [21:07:53] Hey wait, did I finally get some backing that that's actually happening? Progress! [21:07:56] I thought I was to be Duke? [21:08:06]<**ScottA has joined #micronations**> [21:08:12] erik_mortis: thought wrong [21:08:14] Oh, wait, that actually tied into the conversation that time. [21:08:41] So Jonas is acting unilaterally? [21:08:59] Well, he's the Kaiser. It's firmly within his rights. [21:09:21] Eh, Ari will just reverse it tomorrow. Aryeztur is leaving anyway, or something. [21:09:25] And we don't get the name we want. [21:09:42]<**dr-spangle has joined #micronations**> [21:10:17] k [21:11:01] gah.. spangles internet is worse than mine [21:11:32] uh [21:11:34] I think I missed soemthing [21:12:09] I just got a PM titled "Duke" from Jonas all it says is.. "Alright" [21:12:11]<**spangle has joined #micronations**> [21:12:24] THERE we go [21:13:16] erik_mortis: BTW, sorry for misreading the logs [21:13:24] erik_mortis: I thought you said you didn't want to be Kaiser Malarbor [21:13:56] erik_mortis: I'm going to find some other name/identity for myself and let the tree grow for a couple of decades so you can take its place [21:13:57] dr-spangle: how is this possible! [21:13:58] As an outsider I cannot help but find this thoroughly entertaining [21:13:58] *shrug* [21:14:03] Oh, Erik, for what it's worth, thanks for agreeing to support me as Kaiser. It means a lot to me, even if it's no longer relevant. [21:14:09] Nah... if anyone else can do it.. you proly can Ari. [21:14:12] oh.. bjorn.. artz here.. you on the radio show? [21:14:29] I WANT A KAISER MALARBOR [21:14:49] I will support any Kaiser Malarbor who uses http://images1.cafepress.com/product/397468011v3_480x480_Front_Color-AshGrey.jpg as an avatar! [21:15:06] plus.. does anyone know where malliki is? [21:15:14] dr-spangle: hmm, not sure, i think a lot of it will be about this musical chairs coup in shireroth which i'm not involved in ;) [21:15:16] RL stuff [21:15:38] @bjorn.. I don't want it to be about that.. and I'll try and avoid it.. [21:15:41] Bjorn: there was no coup [21:15:50] YES THERE WAS [21:15:58] dr-spangle: then i might pop in [21:16:00] There was a private deal between the Kaiser and a potential successor which was concluded in the normal fashion as per tradition. [21:16:11] Harvey: there was definately musical chairs tho [21:16:14] ...because of the threat of a coup! [21:16:25] There was musical chairs in the mind. Mere fantasy, it mattered not. [21:16:42] wow.. Ari paid a lot for the throne. [21:17:15] ...I didn't know that part. [21:17:15] you gave him erb? [21:17:28] Straightest way to his heart. [21:17:34] Yeah... I cheated and looked [21:17:52] well for what it's worth, i can understand why you'd be miffed, and there has been a few back door deals coming out a few front doors, but you're getting a result at the end of the day which is credit to you Harevy [21:17:56] Can't believe we didn't think of that. [21:18:01] Harvey * [21:18:16] I don't want credit. I wanted what I did to be remotely close to reality :/ [21:18:30] it almost was [21:18:33] Bjorn's right. It was settled by a compromise, but it was only the threat of your program that made Jonas compromise. [21:18:54] It's like how nuclear bombs are really important in modern diplomacy, not because anyone would use them, but because the threat of them makes countries do what you want. [21:19:31] Ari went to Jonas and gave him a lot of money while we chattered endlessly. [21:19:46] how much did he pay [21:19:48] I'm upset about things too, but it's no one's fault and all in all we're getting a Kaiser who'll probably be less controversial than either erik_mortis or myself. [21:19:55] We went on a road that was going somewhere, Ari did something else. His road led to the Kaisership, ours didn't. [21:20:11] That's not an "almost." That's a "wrong direction completely." [21:20:23] lol [21:20:45] Actaully.. My reign wouldn't that contraversial. [21:20:59] I must have missed something then, I always thought the coup was about getting rid of Leto [21:21:19] erik_mortis: Yeah, and I said that the new flag design wouldn't be too controversial. Let's face it, things that shouldn't be controversial + emotional Shirerithians = controversial anyway. [21:21:21] Bjorn: that was our goal, yes. But we had nothing to do with it in the end. [21:21:54] it wasn't really that controversal [21:21:58] it was just gman [21:22:04] and you'd know he'd get emotional over that [21:22:08] Most of the stuff was gonna be economic. [21:22:23] gonna do* [21:23:11] And I wasn't going to do anything controversial either, but just having one of us in power would have made various people angry. [21:23:23] meh. [21:23:31] Meh is right. [21:23:38] I've learned one of two lessons here: 1) don't plot period or 2) don't plot around Scott and Ari. I haven't decided which I'm learning yet. [21:23:43] Meh definately is right. [21:23:50] What did I do?! [21:23:59] Draaaaaggggg ooooon... [21:24:02] *sigh* [21:24:05] 3) don't plot on #micronations [21:24:13] Let's send PMs and wait a few days and give the country that knows about the plot a chance to react! [21:24:21] dude [21:24:25] we went through your plan [21:24:29] and as I predicted [21:24:29] he refused [21:24:30] And then, when we talk to Jonas, let's do it in a weak way that doesn't stress the situation. [21:25:00] But really, the "what did I do" could be answered by simply saying you took over. [21:25:11] That was kind of enough to be annoying. [21:26:08] Look, you think I like this? I'm the one who's not going to be Kaiser. [21:26:43] Well, learn something from it, as I am. [21:26:56]<**dr-spangle quit #micronations "" **> [21:27:03] Right now my provisional moral is "Ari is not as innocuous as he usually pretends." [21:27:19] if you're annoyed of the informal and spontaneous form of shirerothian politics, change it [21:27:22] You didn't know that? [21:27:33]<**dr-spangle has joined #micronations**> [21:27:35] Ari is as slimy as a snake, and twice as slithery. [21:27:41] Or something like that. [21:27:45] oooooo lol [21:27:55] artz [21:27:58]<**dr-spangle quit #micronations "" **> [21:28:01] ... [21:28:09] I really like that use of phrase, i need to remember that [21:28:16] It's Eoin's. [21:28:18]<**dr-spangle has joined #micronations**> [21:28:39] Was that accurate? I can't remember. [21:28:43]<**dr-spangle quit #micronations "" **> [21:28:44] artz [21:28:49] okay [21:28:54] why is artz doing this anyway [21:28:55] I think Eoin used it to describe Iain in his Closing Down Treesia speech. [21:28:56] she has aol rite [21:29:12]<**dr-spangle has joined #micronations**> [21:29:35]<**dr-spangle quit #micronations "" **> [21:29:55] okay [21:29:56] ScottA: who ever it is/was it's very good [21:29:57] artz can't host [21:29:57]<**dr-spangle has joined #micronations**> [21:30:00] artz [21:30:03] are you at spangle's house [21:30:20]<**dr-spangle quit #micronations " Leaving." **> [21:32:00] okay [21:32:03] perhaps I should take control [21:32:06] who is going to be at the roundtable [21:32:20] Bill3000 I have said that since show 2 [21:32:39] what, that I should host? :p [21:32:49] take control [21:32:52] indeed [21:32:55] you focus [21:34:42] <***erik_mortis off to work***> [21:36:19] dammit [21:36:22] you're not coming? [21:36:23] bah [21:36:24] okay [21:36:25] who's coming [21:40:08] God might come [21:41:05]<**foghorn has joined #micronations**> [21:41:42] yo [21:41:44] could you op me please [21:41:54] i dont know how to [21:42:05] /mode #fiftychat +o Bill3000 [21:42:06] er [21:42:08] not fiftychat [21:42:13] /mode #micronations +o Bill3000 [21:42:35]<**foghorn1 quit #micronations "" **> [21:42:35]<**foghorn1 quit #micronations "" **> [21:42:35]<**foghorn1 quit #micronations "" **> [21:42:35]<**foghorn1 quit #micronations "" **> [21:42:35]<**foghorn1 quit #micronations "" **> [21:43:22] sup [21:43:27] Chrimigules [21:43:37] ain't here [21:43:38] :( [21:43:40] aww [21:46:18] CAN EVERYONE WHO IS COMING TO THE ANTICAN ROUNDTABLE TONIGHT [21:46:19] IN 15 MINUTES [21:46:21] GET ON SKYPE [21:46:24] WHETHER IT STARTS RIGHT NOW OR NOT [21:47:42] BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE GREAT [21:48:03] I do not come, but if You want, i have a skype :o [21:48:05] East americunt time? [21:48:09] just fyi [21:48:10] yes [21:48:13] ~15 minutes [21:48:17] Americunt? [21:48:22] Thats not so nice... [21:48:24] <***bill3000 shrug***> [21:48:26] that was malliki [21:48:31] he wanted to equalize the name calling [21:48:35] mrrr' [21:48:46] fixed [21:49:16] brtifag eh [21:49:20] bork bork? [21:50:27] swedish [21:51:58] you see! control [21:52:14] well [21:52:16] no one's responding. [21:52:44] I'M NOT DOING IT [21:53:00] :( [21:53:05] busy? [21:53:14] YEAH IT'S A CLUSTERFUCK OVER HERE [21:53:22] who is on skype? [21:53:32] i am [21:53:37] hm [21:53:39] are you [21:53:40] don't see foghorn on [21:53:45] neither do i [21:53:49] foghorn5950 [21:54:01] on my list, just bjorn, spangle, chogall, rosemarie, harvey [21:54:05] is not on [21:54:32] what's spangles id [21:54:40] joshua coales [21:54:55] Who's rosemarie? [21:55:24] old Antican [21:55:26] Thrapston! what a cool place name, very english, very quaint [21:55:32] foggy's lover [21:55:43]<**Hesam has joined #micronations**> [21:55:55] brb, rebooting [21:56:26]<**foghorn quit #micronations "" **> [21:56:35] hehehe "borkbork time" [21:56:51]<**dr-spangle has joined #micronations**> [21:57:05] Oh, Rose. But she hasn't been around in ages. [21:58:09] hallo [21:58:09] : "" not defined. Try "/msg hallo help commands" for a list of commands. [21:59:16]<**beets has joined #micronations**> [21:59:18] Sup [22:00:36] ? [22:01:18] Bill3000 [22:01:39] hangover officially over. Mission Accomplished. [22:02:15] Hesam: need to talk to you in a few minutes but AFK now. [22:02:39] Bill: You know I'm on Skype, right? [22:04:07] foghorn [22:04:08] get on skype [22:05:26]<**dr-spangle quit #micronations "" **> [22:06:28]<**Hesam quit #micronations " ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]" **>